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Post by lilsun13 on Sept 28, 2015 23:01:29 GMT -5
"Know yourself and you shall know the universe and God".. this famous quote by Pythagoras. Religions around the world mention about this. "Know Thyself" is inscribed at the Apollo temple in Delphi, Greece "The Kingdom of God is within you" by Jesus The first step to Budhims is to study onself. Free ebook on how to gain self knowledge. belsebuub.com/free-spiritual-ebooks/self-knowledge-for-spiritual-awakeningIf anyone else have information regarding know yourself in other text or religion. reply here plse Thanks, Lilian |
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Post by jay17 on Sept 29, 2015 15:12:29 GMT -5
Do not expect many replies in this forum as many of the active members have aligned themselves to the Advaita philosophy\religion that teaches that the individual self is not real.
The single path they are on seems to me to be the opposite of self knowing...it's self denial\detachment\disassociation.
However...
"We can never judge the lives of others, because each person knows only their own pain and renunciation. It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path, but it's another to think that yours is the only path.” - Paulo Coelho
...so if it works for them, enables them to function and be at peace within themselves and with all others...i have no rational reason to indepthly argue or condemn them for their path choices.
Me, i remain on my 'Know Thyself' journey, as i am still benefiting from it.
"Everyone has a spirit that can be refined, a body that can be trained in some manner, a suitable path to follow.
You are here to realize your inner divinity and manifest your innate enlightenment." - Morihei Ueshiba
“Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.” - Lao Tzu
"People travel to wonder at the height of mountains, at the huge waves of the sea,
at the long courses of rivers, at the vast compass of the ocean, at the circular motion of the stars;
and they pass by themselves without wondering." - St. Augustine
"The moment you have in your heart this extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the ecstasy of it,
you will discover that for you the world is transformed." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it." - Rumi
"Be master of mind rather than mastered by mind." -Zen Proverb
"We must strive for freedom if we strive for self-knowledge. The task of self-knowledge and of further self-development is of such importance and seriousness, it demands such intensity of effort, that to attempt it any old way and amongst other things is impossible. The person who undertakes this task must put it first in his life, which is not so long that he can afford to squander it on trifles." - George Gurdjieff
"Opportunities to find deeper powers within ourselves come when life seems most challenging." -Joseph Campbell
"He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened." - Lao Tzu
"It is wrong to think that misfortunes come from the east or from the west; they originate within one's own mind. Therefore, it is foolish to guard against misfortunes from the external world and leave the inner mind uncontrolled." - Buddha
"If we know the divine art of concentration, if we know the divine art of meditation, if we know the divine art of contemplation, easily and consciously we can unite the inner world and the outer world." -Sri Chinmoy
"He who has so little knowledge of human nature as to seek happiness by changing anything but his own disposition will waste his life in fruitless efforts." - Samuel Johnson
"There is nothing noble in being superior to some other person. The true nobility is in being superior to your previous self." - Indian Proverb
"Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent on liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free." -Bhagavad Gita
"Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." - Carl Jung
"You can search throughout the entire universe for someone who is more deserving of your love and affection than you are yourself, and that person is not to be found anywhere. You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." - Buddha
"Right view, right aim, right speech, right action, right living, right effort, right mindfulness, right contemplation" - Buddha
"By your own efforts waken yourself, watch yourself, and live joyfully. You are the master." - Buddha
"Our soul work...is to repair ourselves, to heal into wholeness. It is, simply put, to identify and remove whatever gets in the way of being truly who we are. It is the task of uncovering our authentic self from the encrustations that overlay it, concealing it from us." - M.J. Abadie
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Post by lilsun13 on Sept 29, 2015 20:48:06 GMT -5
Hi Jay17,
Thank you so much for all these quotes..you've read quite a lot. They resonate within me.
There's some connection of this Advaita philosophy to "Know Thyself". By knowing the many individual selves within, which are part of subconscious, the egos. They are not really us, the real us is consciousness, which is activated when we become aware, being the observer observing the egos and try to understand how each aspect works. As we understand our egos we understand others.
I like "if you truly loved yourself, you could never hurt another" Buddha If only we can be this way, unfortunately the egos always blind our sight. That's why its important to detach and observe and learn.
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Post by lilsun13 on Sept 29, 2015 21:56:31 GMT -5
Here's some quotes by Belsebuub on "Know Thyself"
"To begin a spiritual journey without being self-aware is to stumble. Whoever wants spiritual change must see and understand themselves"
"when someone doesn't see or understand what's within, they are governed by it and cannot fundamentally change it."
"by transforming what it is that sees, what is seen is transformed also"
"what is within determines what someone does with his life"
"The starting point of fundamental change in the world is from each individual, and it is the individual that is responsible for making it"
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Post by jay17 on Oct 1, 2015 15:12:02 GMT -5
Hi Jay17, Thank you so much for all these quotes..you've read quite a lot. They resonate within me. You're welcome, Lilian...though i will point out that i have not read a lot, just a lot of quotes. There's some connection of this Advaita philosophy to "Know Thyself". By knowing the many individual selves within, which are part of subconscious, the egos. They are not really us, the real us is consciousness, which is activated when we become aware, being the observer observing the egos and try to understand how each aspect works. As we understand our egos we understand others. I agree there is a connection. I assume the path goes something along these lines... An Advaitaist is a person who began seeking to understand who they are("Know Thyself"), they come across the Advaita philosophy\ancient Hindu religion, and accept it as truth, which results in them mentally severing any association with their individuality, their personal selfhood. They then adopt a new persona, as outlined in Advaita, that they are the one and only consciousness of all things...god, as other religions term it. You are the first person i have come across that believes people have multiple egos. Though you believe as many others do, that the ego is not real. And because you believe there are more than one ego in each person, i assume your definition of ego is different from all the others i have interacted with. I like "if you truly loved yourself, you could never hurt another" Buddha If only we can be this way, unfortunately the egos always blind our sight. That's why its important to detach and observe and learn. It seems to me you have chosen the path that states the ego is not real and hinders the expression of our true nature, therefore the solution is to remove the ego, or detach from it as you have expressed. And if that line of reasoning benefits you, produces profoundly positive transformative results, then i see no reason for you to cease that process. I intuitively ended up on a completely different path, one where i treat the ego is me, but it is wounded, dysfunctional, broken, imbalanced, out of harmony with the rest of my being and existence, and my journey consisted and continues to be about healing, developing and transforming myself s that no part of m is in an adversarial state with any other part of me, which also results in me being at peace with all the other elements in existence. So while some believe and choose to do away with their ego, i had ended up on a path that fully accepts and integrates it to the rest of me. Everyone is unique so it seems reasonable to imagine\theorize our paths may also be unique, thus a particular path rezes with one person, but not the other. And on my journey i learnt that it is not important or beneficial to categorize everything as either true or false. Instead, i began to see that it's the results that matter. So if a person benefits from a path, and they are enriched by it, and they become a positive force in other's lives, that their existence benefits the whole of existence, then that is the right path for them, and i have no need or desire that they change paths. |
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Post by lilsun13 on Oct 1, 2015 21:46:32 GMT -5
Jay, You are right as well, that egos are part of us because we need them in order to learn. To me, the egos are greed, anger, fear (the 7 sins). Within each person there is light(consciousness) and darkness(subconsciousness).. the egos are part of the subconsciousness whereas love and compassion are part of consciousness. The outcome of our ego actions brought us misery and pain..that's how we learn. We all are at a certain level on the spiritual journey. For me, when I was searching, I didn't like being depressed and getting angry and every day I asked God that there must be a way to not feel this misery inside. My quest has lead me to find this spiritual information and all made sense at the moment. So what I've learned so far is that in order to become enlightened, one needs to rid of the subconscious parts within. That's why we need to observe our inner states and get knowledge of them. By understanding the subconscious part, they have no grip on us and we will cease to do wrong. Here's an article that does talk about the force of light within each of us that helps and guides us on this journey if we truly want to change. www.thespiritualsun.com/phenomena/transformation/mystical-death/eliminating-negativity-with-mystical-death |
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Post by lilsun13 on Oct 2, 2015 22:54:02 GMT -5
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Post by jay17 on Oct 7, 2015 14:17:45 GMT -5
Jay, You are right as well, that egos are part of us because we need them in order to learn. 1. I do not classify what i said as right or wrong, i am simply expressing my current understanding. 2. I don't understand why you are agreeing with me when i have not expressed humans have multiple ego or we need them in order to learn. To me, the egos are greed, anger, fear (the 7 sins). Within each person there is light(consciousness) and darkness(subconsciousness).. the egos are part of the subconsciousness whereas love and compassion are part of consciousness. The outcome of our ego actions brought us misery and pain..that's how we learn. So without these attributes...Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Laziness, Wrath, Envy, Pride...we could not learn, we could not gain new information and develop to a better state of being? It is my understanding that one's abilities to observe, receive information and process it, is what is used to learn. Awareness and thinking...the mind. We all are at a certain level on the spiritual journey. For me, when I was searching, I didn't like being depressed and getting angry and every day I asked God that there must be a way to not feel this misery inside. My quest has lead me to find this spiritual information and all made sense at the moment. So what I've learned so far is that in order to become enlightened, one needs to rid of the subconscious parts within. That's why we need to observe our inner states and get knowledge of them. By understanding the subconscious part, they have no grip on us and we will cease to do wrong. Does this mean that once you have removed them, you stop learning? If you already have light within you, are you not already enlightened? You say Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Laziness, Wrath, Envy, Pride has a grip on us, that they choose to attach to us and control us. Then who chooses to observe our inner state and increase knowledge and stop being controlled by the seven attributes? I am happy you found a path that works for you. I have not required the aid of a higher deity to resolve my inner turmoil. I have found there is no need for external help in resolving my own self created issues. |
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Post by lilsun13 on Oct 7, 2015 23:54:27 GMT -5
Jay, how do you answer with those boxes? obviously I'm still a newbie on this site.
We all have consciousness(the Being) within .. when we're aware, we awaken it and it is the one that observe and extract knowledge from the egos..what triggers the behavior. Say in an anger outburst, we said something bad to someone and it hurts the other person. Now if we're aware in each moment, then consciousness is awaken and acts in an intelligent way and wouldn't let the outburst happen. As we understand how each egos work, their root cause, we understand and have more compassion for others when they are angry, depress..etc. Consciousness is light and love. Without the egos, there is just love and love does not harm anyone, even in thoughts. But it's not easy to awaken consciousness due to the egos. The % of consciousness within each person is less than 10% comparing to the subconscious.
Divine Mother is an aspect of the Being within each of us, not externally. If you ask her for help, she'll help in a way that you'll understand. It is something need to be felt and experience. I was skeptical at first too.. but I had to ask and try for myself and that's how I come to know. Knowledge is gained when you personally experience it. The spiritual journey of course if very long..
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Post by jay17 on Oct 12, 2015 3:47:53 GMT -5
Jay, how do you answer with those boxes? obviously I'm still a newbie on this site. The quote button. Are you a newbie to online forums, Lilian? We all have consciousness(the Being) within .. when we're aware, we awaken it and it is the one that observe and extract knowledge from the egos..what triggers the behavior. Say in an anger outburst, we said something bad to someone and it hurts the other person. Now if we're aware in each moment, then consciousness is awaken and acts in an intelligent way and wouldn't let the outburst happen. As we understand how each egos work, their root cause, we understand and have more compassion for others when they are angry, depress..etc. Consciousness is light and love. Without the egos, there is just love and love does not harm anyone, even in thoughts. But it's not easy to awaken consciousness due to the egos. The % of consciousness within each person is less than 10% comparing to the subconscious. It does not make sense to me that consciousness is asleep and has to be awakened, as the term 'consciousness' means the awakened part of self. Seems illogical to awaken something that is already in a state of awakeness. A consciousness that is asleep\unawakened is called unconsciousness. What is the root cause of being angry, what chooses to be angry? Divine Mother is an aspect of the Being within each of us, not externally. If you ask her for help, she'll help in a way that you'll understand. It is something need to be felt and experience. I was skeptical at first too.. but I had to ask and try for myself and that's how I come to know. Knowledge is gained when you personally experience it. The spiritual journey of course if very long.. As i said before, Lilian... I am happy you found a path that works for you. I have not required the aid of a higher deity to resolve my inner turmoil. I have found there is no need for external help in resolving my own self created issues. ..i have no need to seek help from Divine Mother. Knowing myself consists of using my intellect\consciousness\mind\soul to explore, discover, understand and change for the better is all i have used thus far. |
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Post by lilsun13 on Oct 13, 2015 22:17:03 GMT -5
Yes, you're right, consciousness is already awakened. what I meant is to activate it... like when you're in awareness through the 5 senses, you're allowing consciousness to experience the reality of the physical. Most of the time it's the subconscious or egos that drive us to do this or that or "I" this or "I" that. Here's a book about the way our psychology works by Samael Aun Weor. Will fill your intellect with interesting information. www.conozcaseasimismo.com/Libros/Samael/Treatise_of_Revolutionary_Psychology.pdf |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 19, 2015 10:10:58 GMT -5
"Know yourself and you shall know the universe and God".. this famous quote by Pythagoras. Religions around the world mention about this. "Know Thyself" is inscribed at the Apollo temple in Delphi, Greece "The Kingdom of God is within you" by Jesus The first step to Budhims is to study onself. Free ebook on how to gain self knowledge. belsebuub.com/free-spiritual-ebooks/self-knowledge-for-spiritual-awakeningIf anyone else have information regarding know yourself in other text or religion. reply here plse Thanks, Lilian Hey Lilian, I was poking around and went to this link. I noticed that the diagram on the cover of this book is the same diagram that you talked about from the book, The Flight of the Serpent by Armando Cosani (page 106). This can't be a coincidence (I'm guessing). Have you found the two to be linked? |
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Post by lilsun13 on Oct 22, 2015 21:05:31 GMT -5
Hi Stardustpilgrim,
I didn't even noticed they're the same diagram! You are right, they look similar. So much for awareness...
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