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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 13:17:21 GMT -5
Universe re-organise itself according to your newly realized truth! If it doesn't happen for you yet, then you haven't seen anything yet! Things change after realization, that's fer sure. But you haven't seen any re-orchestration!
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Post by laughter on Sept 27, 2015 13:24:59 GMT -5
Things change after realization, that's fer sure. But you haven't seen any re-orchestration!
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Post by steven on Sept 27, 2015 14:58:47 GMT -5
Anger happens, Joy happens lol i get angry all the time, but it doesn't last long and I don't find myself saying that I am am angry because I don't like the way the universe is unfolding lol who knows what will happen in a different imitation of this moment though Do you believe personal self hood is illusion as ZD believes? If so, you can't get angry! I just don't find myself thinking about it really Seems very philosophical... right now, my glasses are on the table in front of me, and it's beautiful
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Post by steven on Sept 27, 2015 15:03:05 GMT -5
A lack of incessant internal dialogue in an adult human being is usually a pretty good indicator of the seeing that personal self hood IS indeed illusory. Just sayin.... Personal self hood is illusion does mean God is the only actor in the stage! Yes But you are still part of that show lol And so am I Realization or not, the show goes on :-)
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Post by steven on Sept 27, 2015 16:14:56 GMT -5
Gopal is English your first language?
I think 'orchestration' is not the word that you intend behind your meaning
In my experience a Realization opens up a broader view, and broader perspective on what's already there
So it's not a re-orchestration or re-organization, so much as it is an expanded awareness of what's already happening
This expanded awareness often puts what you saw in your previous more narrow view into a different perspective as part of a larger whole
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Post by jay17 on Sept 27, 2015 16:49:10 GMT -5
Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! A lack of incessant internal dialogue in an adult human being is usually a pretty good indicator of the seeing that personal self hood IS indeed illusory. Just sayin.... According to what you hold as truth about the personal self. With that, there is more than your conclusion as to why a person no longer has incessant internal chatter. Reduction of incessant internal chatter can also indicate self control of oneself, of which one has a current conclusion\belief that the personal self is real. "Mindfulness refers to keeping one's consciousness alive to the present reality. It is the miracle by which we master and restore ourselves." - Thich Nhat Hanh I no longer suffer from uncontrollable incessant internal chatter simply because i have developed self control\mastery from my years of self examination. I now simply choose when to think and when to remain silent and observe. The concept of my personal self being illusory does not even enter into the equation, and most likely never will because there is no internal problem to resolve, so no need to infuse those precepts into my being. Just saying, there's sometimes more to reality than the one path you are on and believe is the absolute and\or only truth.
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Post by jay17 on Sept 27, 2015 17:04:57 GMT -5
You are completely mistaken me, Actually my focus is creative, My pleasant conversation with people always attracts this negative side with negative people, my focus would set these people like zendancer and some other here to argue against me or write against me, That's important! If you look into my conversation from the beginning, it would have been very clear to you! It has been the case from the beginning, Zendancer has nothing to do! My focus creates the ignorance of Zendancer as well, Zendancer is very important here to perform my role! My focus is creative! Ahh, i do not understand. In this post of yours below, what are you creating, where are you creating it and for what purpose or for who's benefit , if any...and, what parts do you judge as pleasant conversation? ZD is funny man, I never take his words seriously, because he hasn't realized anything bigger, He is not even ready to listen what others say! It's all unfortunate! If you ask him some question which penetrates his nonsense idea, then he would say mind can't answer this, ZD is one of the funny person here, I would rather argue with some people those who really have some valuable experience in their life which can be comparable to my Life! So Let's leave this ZD to die with his ignorance! Our Focus always creates anything in duality! If you experience happiness, then you need to experience unhappy, If you experience pressure, then you would experience freedom! So my pleasant conversation with some people attract unpleasant conversation with some other people! I shall clarify. I did not ask you to define the concepts you live by, the concepts you believe are universal. I am asking you specifically about the underlined statements you made. In them, what are you creating, where are you creating it and for what purpose or for who's benefit , if any...and, what parts do you judge(of your own statements) as pleasant conversation? I asked this because in your first quote you said, "Actually my focus is creative, My pleasant conversation with people..." I do not understand what you intended to create from conversing with zendancer and i interpret a number of things you have said are not pleasant expressions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 16:50:44 GMT -5
Just a random thought... I start trying to imagine what it would be like to be "God", if individual life forms are illusions, and it can be kind of weird ... I know, I know, I can't imagine, but just the thought of some kind of singular, eternal, universal mind/consciousness -- alone, forever -- is ... not sure the word... scary, disturbing, depressing ... ? Any body else ever freak themselves out with a thought like that? The thinker of thought can only have thoughts/feelings of aloneness and fear.True nature has no need for thought for it is everything that is perceived. Yo sure?
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 8, 2015 15:36:21 GMT -5
Life is not an illusion - this reality here is all we know for sure. The other side of life - call it what you will - the afterlife/before birth/great beyond/etc is debatable as to what is really there?
Two schools of thought came to mind - that you are still active in this afterlife stage - but I would go for the other - that it is a non-active, sleep state between lives. Because we see cycles and cycles within cycles all the time, reincarnation is a real possibility without the karma crap thrown in. Karma makes no real sense, and is just a way to want cosmic justice to triumph, for the bad to be punished etc. Like heaven and hell are similar constructs so that bad will be punished. It's highly likely there is none. Given how religions are the most consistent with their inconsistencies with no ownership over what they say and do.
Anyway I think we all die alone - no matter what your belief system is. That we don't die alone is an illusion because people don't want it that way. The idea of God in any religious sense, if simply a product of the human imagination - and those who truly believe in said God and cite benefits from this - suffer from the placebo effect. The truth is not something religious people want to wake up to.
I actually believe blasphemy is legitimate - and that religion(s) have used bully tactics to get their message home. You can separate what true bits are present in religious stories versus that which cannot be, if you use reason, logic and common sense.
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