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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 23:43:14 GMT -5
Mind is not consciousness or perceiver to tell itself, Mind is the movement of thought, So you don't need mind to think thoughts, because movement of thoughts itself is mind! Whether I need a mind to think thoughts, or thoughts are a movement, they have the ability to inspire curiosity into the beauty, immensity, and mystery of this Universe that I find myself inhabiting, or for the spiritual, inhabiting in me. There are two things we have been referring, One consciousness or perceiver, another one is perceived or appearance, Are you aware of that? you do not need mind to think, because mind itself is thought!
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Post by steven on Sept 25, 2015 12:24:28 GMT -5
"So Let's leave this ZD to die with his ignorance! "
Haha...ZD has done so quite JOYFULLY already :-) You are living Joyfully, I am living Joyfully, Laughter is living Joyfully! But that's not our discussion is about, Our discussion is mainly focuses on experience which is not possible after having the realization of 'personal self hood is illusion', There are certain experience is not possible once you know 'personal self hood is illusion', How could you say 'universe unfolds whatever way it wants to unfold' and continue to say 'I am getting angry on the way it unfolds'? Anger happens, Joy happens lol i get angry all the time, but it doesn't last long and I don't find myself saying that I am am angry because I don't like the way the universe is unfolding lol who knows what will happen in a different imitation of this moment though
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Post by steven on Sept 25, 2015 12:30:18 GMT -5
The ignorant seeker is looking for something, and may find bliss...the ingnorant Buddha is found by bliss what is the difference between the two if both are ignorant? I was just wondering if a 'spaciousness of I don't know' and 'ignorance is bliss' were similar sates of being. Both conditions bring a sort of joy for Self, because of the disconnection of Consciousness from the awareness of there being something beyond itself. So, the ignorant person is happy, not sure about the ignorant Buddha... Haha dunno about you but when I hear the phrase 'ignorance is bliss' I think of the kind of ignorance wherein you are not stressed out that a train is coming down the tracks behind you about to hit you lol the spaciousness of the not knowing state is somewhat different I guess in that it is a kind of compete mental stillness u marred by the impulse to define, name, or re-cognize
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 12:38:04 GMT -5
I was just wondering if a 'spaciousness of I don't know' and 'ignorance is bliss' were similar sates of being. Both conditions bring a sort of joy for Self, because of the disconnection of Consciousness from the awareness of there being something beyond itself. So, the ignorant person is happy, not sure about the ignorant Buddha... Haha dunno about you but when I hear the phrase 'ignorance is bliss' I think of the kind of ignorance wherein you are not stressed out that a train is coming down the tracks behind you about to hit you lol the spaciousness of the not knowing state is somewhat different I guess in that it is a kind of compete mental stillness u marred by the impulse to define, name, or re-cognize Oh, Okay....different mind states, but you still get hit by the train?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 12:26:06 GMT -5
You are living Joyfully, I am living Joyfully, Laughter is living Joyfully! But that's not our discussion is about, Our discussion is mainly focuses on experience which is not possible after having the realization of 'personal self hood is illusion', There are certain experience is not possible once you know 'personal self hood is illusion', How could you say 'universe unfolds whatever way it wants to unfold' and continue to say 'I am getting angry on the way it unfolds'? Anger happens, Joy happens lol i get angry all the time, but it doesn't last long and I don't find myself saying that I am am angry because I don't like the way the universe is unfolding lol who knows what will happen in a different imitation of this moment though Do you believe personal self hood is illusion as ZD believes? If so, you can't get angry!
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Post by zendancer on Sept 26, 2015 12:52:40 GMT -5
Anger happens, Joy happens lol i get angry all the time, but it doesn't last long and I don't find myself saying that I am am angry because I don't like the way the universe is unfolding lol who knows what will happen in a different imitation of this moment though Do you believe personal self hood is illusion as ZD believes? If so, you can't get angry! Steve can answer for himself, but I think his prior post already answered your question. He stated that he gets angry, but he doesn't get angry because he doesn't like the way the universe is unfolding. I'm guessing that he doesn't even have that kind of thought. That's exactly what I describe. When I get angry, it's in the moment, and it almost never involves reflective thought. Remember, some of us don't have an incessant internal dialogue ABOUT what's happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 15:06:14 GMT -5
Do you believe personal self hood is illusion as ZD believes? If so, you can't get angry! Steve can answer for himself, but I think his prior post already answered your question. He stated that he gets angry, but he doesn't get angry because he doesn't like the way the universe is unfolding. I'm guessing that he doesn't even have that kind of thought. That's exactly what I describe. When I get angry, it's in the moment, and it almost never involves reflective thought. Remember, some of us don't have an incessant internal dialogue ABOUT what's happening. Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth!
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Post by relinquish on Sept 26, 2015 15:40:28 GMT -5
Steve can answer for himself, but I think his prior post already answered your question. He stated that he gets angry, but he doesn't get angry because he doesn't like the way the universe is unfolding. I'm guessing that he doesn't even have that kind of thought. That's exactly what I describe. When I get angry, it's in the moment, and it almost never involves reflective thought. Remember, some of us don't have an incessant internal dialogue ABOUT what's happening. Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! A lack of incessant internal dialogue in an adult human being is usually a pretty good indicator of the seeing that personal self hood IS indeed illusory. Just sayin....
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Post by zendancer on Sept 26, 2015 16:23:39 GMT -5
Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! A lack of incessant internal dialogue in an adult human being is usually a pretty good indicator of the seeing that personal self hood IS indeed illusory. Just sayin.... That's a wise observation.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 26, 2015 16:27:04 GMT -5
Steve can answer for himself, but I think his prior post already answered your question. He stated that he gets angry, but he doesn't get angry because he doesn't like the way the universe is unfolding. I'm guessing that he doesn't even have that kind of thought. That's exactly what I describe. When I get angry, it's in the moment, and it almost never involves reflective thought. Remember, some of us don't have an incessant internal dialogue ABOUT what's happening. Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! There is nothing that needs to be re-orchestrated. The idea of re-orchestration is an idea, only. A realization does not change anything or re-orchestrate anything; it is only a recognition of what is already the case.
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Post by laughter on Sept 26, 2015 16:50:46 GMT -5
Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! There is nothing that needs to be re-orchestrated. The idea of re-orchestration is an idea, only. A realization does not change anything or re-orchestrate anything; it is only a recognition of what is already the case. No-little-head-guy and "Universe orchestrating" (instead of little-head-guy orchestrating), are quite similar abstractions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 4:23:50 GMT -5
Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! There is nothing that needs to be re-orchestrated. The idea of re-orchestration is an idea, only. A realization does not change anything or re-orchestrate anything; it is only a recognition of what is already the case. Then you haven't seen anything, may be you are a good partner to Sat and Laughter! The way universe unfolds reflects your illusion, Once it is known, it wouldn't even create for you to act! If you know controlling is illusion, then the need of controlling wouldn't even arise!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 4:25:54 GMT -5
Then personal self hood is illusion is not an realization for you, it's still conceptual for you! Realization is something which re-orchestrate the universe according it's own truth! A lack of incessant internal dialogue in an adult human being is usually a pretty good indicator of the seeing that personal self hood IS indeed illusory. Just sayin.... Personal self hood is illusion does mean God is the only actor in the stage!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 4:27:16 GMT -5
There is nothing that needs to be re-orchestrated. The idea of re-orchestration is an idea, only. A realization does not change anything or re-orchestrate anything; it is only a recognition of what is already the case. No-little-head-guy and "Universe orchestrating" (instead of little-head-guy orchestrating), are quite similar abstractions. Universe re-organise itself according to your newly realized truth! If it doesn't happen for you yet, then you haven't seen anything yet!
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Post by laughter on Sept 27, 2015 13:07:01 GMT -5
No-little-head-guy and "Universe orchestrating" (instead of little-head-guy orchestrating), are quite similar abstractions. Universe re-organise itself according to your newly realized truth! If it doesn't happen for you yet, then you haven't seen anything yet! Things change after realization, that's fer sure.
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