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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 22:15:04 GMT -5
So, would you say THIS that know's taking a shower, and going to meet some people for dinner; the entire creation, as it is being observed through the sense organs, knows it is an upside down perception? THIS that knows when it's time to take a shower also knows that people often think too much. So, do you think there's something THIS doesn't know what people think?
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Post by zendancer on Sept 14, 2015 7:11:15 GMT -5
THIS that knows when it's time to take a shower also knows that people often think too much. So, do you think there's something THIS doesn't know what people think? I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry.
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Post by justlikeyou on Sept 14, 2015 7:22:34 GMT -5
So, do you think there's something THIS doesn't know what people think? I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry. I wondered about the upside down thingy too. Perhaps this? And if so, not sure how it applies to anything.
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2015 8:44:55 GMT -5
Ha ha! THIS no longer has an interest in thinking about what THIS is. THIS knows that it's time to take a shower, and then go meet some people for dinner. So, would you say THIS that know's taking a shower, and going to meet some people for dinner; the entire creation, as it is being observed through the sense organs, knows it is an upside down perception? There is no up nor down but that thinking makes it so. To me, the mind is not a prison.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 14, 2015 9:57:34 GMT -5
I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry. I wondered about the upside down thingy too. Perhaps this? And if so, not sure how it applies to anything. Yes, I wondered about that, too. A psychologist did a fascinating experiment about a hundred years ago. He built a periscope set of goggles thingy with internal mirrors that inverted one's vision. IOW, when he looked through the goggles, the world appeared upside down. After wearing the goggles for several days, the world suddenly reverted to normal even though he was still wearing the goggles. His brain had learned to flip the appearance of the world back to "normal." When he then took off the goggles, the world looked upside down for several days until it again learned to flip the appearance back to "normal."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 12:39:26 GMT -5
So, do you think there's something THIS doesn't know what people think? I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry. My questions are referencing your post... spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/286535So when you use the concept "THIS", are you not talking about the Impersonal, or Cosmic, or the Absolute mind? The term upside-down perception refers to the individuated, or personal, or finite mind that thinks there is a real objective world existing out there. It seemed to me that you were conflating the minds like Tzu does, when he says both minds, finite and infinite, are functioning simultaneously and he can choose which mind he wants for his perception.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 12:44:34 GMT -5
So, would you say THIS that know's taking a shower, and going to meet some people for dinner; the entire creation, as it is being observed through the sense organs, knows it is an upside down perception? There is no up nor down but that thinking makes it so. To me, the mind is not a prison. Agreed, the mind is not ultimately a prison, but it can be split and function as if it were a prison.
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Post by maxdprophet on Sept 14, 2015 12:48:47 GMT -5
Just a random thought... I start trying to imagine what it would be like to be "God", if individual life forms are illusions, and it can be kind of weird ... I know, I know, I can't imagine, but just the thought of some kind of singular, eternal, universal mind/consciousness -- alone, forever -- is ... not sure the word... scary, disturbing, depressing ... ? Any body else ever freak themselves out with a thought like that? Yes I've had versions of that. The nice thing about freaky thoughts -- there are an infinitude -- is that they go away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 12:57:00 GMT -5
So, do you think there's something THIS doesn't know what people think? I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry. So you don't even understand the question but you answered,Isn't it? That's what I keep saying, you are only ready to answer, you are not ready to hear what people say here! The above incident is one of the clue!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 13:01:36 GMT -5
Just a random thought... I start trying to imagine what it would be like to be "God", if individual life forms are illusions, and it can be kind of weird ... I know, I know, I can't imagine, but just the thought of some kind of singular, eternal, universal mind/consciousness -- alone, forever -- is ... not sure the word... scary, disturbing, depressing ... ? Any body else ever freak themselves out with a thought like that? We can't ultimately know that we are even having such an experience right now! because other individual existence can't be known!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 13:07:57 GMT -5
I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry. So you don't even understand the question but you answered,Isn't it? That's what I keep saying, you are only ready to answer, you are not ready to hear what people say here! The above incident is one of the clue! Well, ZD believes that 'THIS' is what understands or answers questions that it either understands or pretends not to understand. He believes it is 'THIS' that takes showers and goes out to meet friends, and not the mind that believes that showers and friends to meet actually exist out there in an objective world...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 13:24:35 GMT -5
So you don't even understand the question but you answered,Isn't it? That's what I keep saying, you are only ready to answer, you are not ready to hear what people say here! The above incident is one of the clue! Well, ZD believes that 'THIS' is what understands or answers questions that it either understands or pretends not to understand. He believes it is 'THIS' that takes showers and goes out to meet friends, and not the mind that believes that showers and friends to meet actually exist out there in an objective world... ZD is funny man, I never take his words seriously, because he hasn't realized anything bigger, He is not even ready to listen what others say! It's all unfortunate! If you ask him some question which penetrates his nonsense idea, then he would say mind can't answer this, ZD is one of the funny person here, I would rather argue with some people those who really have some valuable experience in their life which can be comparable to my Life! So Let's leave this ZD to die with his ignorance!
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Post by maxdprophet on Sept 14, 2015 14:02:46 GMT -5
Well, ZD believes that 'THIS' is what understands or answers questions that it either understands or pretends not to understand. He believes it is 'THIS' that takes showers and goes out to meet friends, and not the mind that believes that showers and friends to meet actually exist out there in an objective world... ZD is funny man, I never take his words seriously, because he hasn't realized anything bigger, He is not even ready to listen what others say! It's all unfortunate! If you ask him some question which penetrates his nonsense idea, then he would say mind can't answer this, ZD is one of the funny person here, I would rather argue with some people those who really have some valuable experience in their life which can be comparable to my Life! So Let's leave this ZD to die with his ignorance! On the # of sentences to # of exclamation points, you're batting 4 for 4. Time to put the energy drink down.
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Post by relinquish on Sept 14, 2015 15:49:43 GMT -5
Please explain? The Infinite and the finite are one and the same, so whatever we do is what the Infinite does. Lift a finger, and the entire cosmos moves. I think RobertK's original question was about the infinite's experience of itself AS the infinite (i.e. outside the boundaries of all of it's finite expressions).
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Post by zendancer on Sept 14, 2015 16:50:30 GMT -5
I don't understand this question, nor the last question for that matter, and I have no idea what the phrase "upside-down perception" means. When a convo becomes too convoluted or unclear, I lose interest. Sorry. My questions are referencing your post... spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/286535So when you use the concept "THIS", are you not talking about the Impersonal, or Cosmic, or the Absolute mind? The term upside-down perception refers to the individuated, or personal, or finite mind that thinks there is a real objective world existing out there. It seemed to me that you were conflating the minds like Tzu does, when he says both minds, finite and infinite, are functioning simultaneously and he can choose which mind he wants for his perception. No, my POV is not the same as Tzu's. From my POV the finite and the infinite are one and the same. When I use the term "THIS," I'm referring to everything--to the totality of all being, which is alive, intelligent, unified, infinite, and manifests "just like this." Third mountain is simple. When it's time to drink a cup of coffee, drink a cup of coffee. When it's time to go to sleep, go to sleep. This is how the Infinite manifests. Is there an objective world? My coffee after lunch was hot and tasty. Is consciousness all there is? There isn't a cloud in the sky right now. Is there a finite and an infinite mind functioning simultaneously? The trees outside my window are green. First mountain: what we call "the concensus trancestate" of space, time, causality, volition, selfhood, things, qualities, etc. (mountains are mountains) Second mountain: oneness (mountains are NOT mountains) Third mountain: with no attachment to ideas, everything is "just like this" (mountains are once again mountains)
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