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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 15:40:06 GMT -5
Okay. When thinking about benefits, for me it's entwined with my experience with buddhism. So even though you are not asking for a comparison, that's basically all I can offer. Methinks advaita is interested in the same bennies that Buddhism offers -- liberation from (existential) suffering, primarily -- see andrew's post. I don't really consider myself a fan of advaita. Once upon a time I was enthralled with buddhism. But some of the advaita 'pointers' I've found to be invigorating. 'Die before you die' 'you are what you seek' 'there is no separation' -- this is stuff that complements what I know of buddhism. There's a bit of perspective-busting/expanding and re-emphasis on presence/being. It's more like a lens by which to look at what I've learned in the buddhist circle. One thing I like about advaita better than buddhism is the emphasis on how this.is.it. I know Buddha was a rad cuz he liberated karma-addled hindis from multiple lifetimes of effort and basically proclaimed that 'you can do it in this lifetime.' I'm hearing advaitists being even more rad and basically saying the whole thing is a set up, a mind game. The belief that with great constant practice you will reach some end point of enlightenment has to go. Part of the problem. In short, benefits for me have been new perspectives challenging older perspectives. Having trouble distinguishing between your comments on Advaiata and Buddhism...would you please extract from this post the benefits you have obtained from Advaiata. Some of the 'pointers' I find invigorating in terms of being present/mindful. By invigorating I mean they help focus, reframe and change perspective.
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Post by earnest on Jul 26, 2015 6:14:55 GMT -5
Earnest, in the other thread you asked for a link to where i interpreted you were saying you have obtained enlightenment... I've replied to the thread but i don't want to get into a discussion about it with you. I could explain how i came to this conclusion, but you have already expressed you have nothing further to say on the matter. Ok thanks jay but you've misinterpreted me. I understand every piece of meat is the best piece and that this day is the best day, but I'm making no claims on enlightenment. TBH there's probably more for me to understand in that koan as well...
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Post by vacant on Jul 26, 2015 16:19:59 GMT -5
Earnest, in the other thread you asked for a link to where i interpreted you were saying you have obtained enlightenment... I've replied to the thread but i don't want to get into a discussion about it with you. I could explain how i came to this conclusion, but you have already expressed you have nothing further to say on the matter. Hi Jay, Despite occasional appearances this forum is entirely occupied by people who don't know. If there was anything to know and someone would know it and would come across this forum, they would only have to post one post to say it. Perhaps a second post to politely acknowledge someone else's comment but that's probably it. There is not much point in blaming other blind folks for being blind when we are blind ourselves, but there is something sweet about helping each other grapple in the dark
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Post by vacant on Jul 30, 2015 17:15:26 GMT -5
Hi Jay, Despite occasional appearances this forum is entirely occupied by people who don't know. If there was anything to know and someone would know it and would come across this forum, they would only have to post one post to say it. Perhaps a second post to politely acknowledge someone else's comment but that's probably it. There is not much point in blaming other blind folks for being blind when we are blind ourselves, but there is something sweet about helping each other grapple in the dark
1st underlined: 1. I conclude i know things, as i imagine so do others. 2. I see other options than the one you cited. 2nd underlined: 1. It is unclear to me why you are mentioning blame. Have you observed someone accusing another of being blind in earnest's or another's and my conversations in this thread? 2. Perhaps the sweetness you feel comes from perceiving you are not alone in the darkened state you perceive yourself in. Oh dear! Please forgive me, I was speaking in a completely different language. That'll teach me not to just barge-in once in a while. Because I have tried and failed to find anything I could know for sure, I often wrongly assume that others here are as severely afflicted with staggering ignorance as I am, my bad. Your last sentence (2 of 2) is right on. Best wishes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 18:14:13 GMT -5
1st underlined: 1. I conclude i know things, as i imagine so do others. 2. I see other options than the one you cited. 2nd underlined: 1. It is unclear to me why you are mentioning blame. Have you observed someone accusing another of being blind in earnest's or another's and my conversations in this thread? 2. Perhaps the sweetness you feel comes from perceiving you are not alone in the darkened state you perceive yourself in. Oh dear! Please forgive me, I was speaking in a completely different language. That'll teach me not to just barge-in once in a while. Because I have tried and failed to find anything I could know for sure, I often wrongly assume that others here are as severely afflicted with staggering ignorance as I am, my bad. Your last sentence (2 of 2) is right on. Best wishes Isn't the one that says no one knows anything known? I mean you know who is saying that, or no?
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Post by earnest on Jul 30, 2015 18:33:28 GMT -5
Ok thanks jay but you've misinterpreted me. I understand every piece of meat is the best piece and that this day is the best day, but I'm making no claims on enlightenment. TBH there's probably more for me to understand in that koan as well... Misunderstanding will most likely continue when you choose not to clarify things for me. And how easily it could have been avoided if you offered an answer to my inquiry of what is your primary goal\achievement. As for your understanding that every piece of meat is the best piece, i wish you well with that way of thinking. As for me, i am happy when i eat good quality bacon from the local Woolies Deli, and i am also happy when i return their bad quality bacon, they replace it with good quality bacon and they also refund me the original purchase price. Of course, in the field of fresh foods, they are desperate for me, the unsatisfied customer, to keep buying their comparatively low quality foods by paying me to eat theirs. In my world there is good and bad meat, and i would most likely have an interesting convo with the Woolies employee who tries to convince me that all of their bacon strips are their best. I would start of by asking why some of their meats are washed at the end of the day and some not? So are you now saying your primary primary goal\achievement from adopting Advaita is you no longer perceive\judge anything as bad or wrong in the world? Maybe there are just some things you aren't yet in a position to understand. My interest in this forum is for furthering my own explorations, helping others, and for a bit of bon homie with likeminded souls. I don't care for intellectual debates or speculation, and I'm not interested in indulging the intellectual debates and speculation of others - sure I get involved from time to time, but its fundamentally unsatisfying (like bad fast food,. tastes good at the time but I never feel good afterwards) I've invested a lot of time in conversing with you and attempting to answer your questions, but it doesn't look like its got anywhere - this leaves me questioning either your motives or your abilities (and I don't like that) This is where our paths diverge. Personally, I find interacting with you quite draining, so I'll be blocking you for now. I sincerely wish you well on your journey.
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Post by vacant on Jul 31, 2015 2:03:31 GMT -5
Oh dear! Please forgive me, I was speaking in a completely different language. That'll teach me not to just barge-in once in a while. Because I have tried and failed to find anything I could know for sure, I often wrongly assume that others here are as severely afflicted with staggering ignorance as I am, my bad. Your last sentence (2 of 2) is right on. Best wishes Isn't the one that says no one knows anything known? I mean you know who is saying that, or no? No. I have not found that one.
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Post by vacant on Jul 31, 2015 2:19:23 GMT -5
Oh dear! Please forgive me, I was speaking in a completely different language. That'll teach me not to just barge-in once in a while. Because I have tried and failed to find anything I could know for sure, I often wrongly assume that others here are as severely afflicted with staggering ignorance as I am, my bad. Your last sentence (2 of 2) is right on. Best wishes Looks like you were speaking english just like me. And i don't see how speaking a different language caused you to barge in on a conversation. I myself find self depreciation non beneficial to my journey and development. If you agree my 2 of 2 is right on, then it seems to me your problem is how you perceive reality and yourself. Self depreciation would be one thing, the honest recognition of ignorance another. I did not know I had a problem there, so thank you for pointing it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 11:54:44 GMT -5
Isn't the one that says no one knows anything known? I mean you know who is saying that, or no? No. I have not found that one. You know who is thinking and typing out it's thoughts on the computer, or is that unknown to you?
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Post by vacant on Jul 31, 2015 14:13:44 GMT -5
No. I have not found that one. You know who is thinking and typing out it's thoughts on the computer, or is that unknown to you? Yes, just what I meant, Source, that is unknown to me. An easy answer would be "yes of course, it's Eye thinking and typing" but that is not satisfactory. Rather than tediously repeating myself because I have posted on that subject before, can I refer you to these rants and blabs all within the same thread at a few pages of each other, if you are at all interested: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/237685/threadspiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/237726/threadspiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/237730/threadhmmm, never done these kind of links to posts before, and the way they look in preview does not convince me they will work. Anyway, note that I am not proclaiming truths, merely that some widely assumed notions do not work for yours truly. I just don't know, and that's rather easy to live with. But as in my apology to Jay17, I'd better not conclude that others know as little as I do.
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Post by vacant on Jul 31, 2015 14:33:05 GMT -5
Oh good, the links seem to work. PS: I do prefer to acknowledge and publicly admit that I do not know, rather than posturing as if I did know stuff. Apologies or not, I do have a recurring feeling that there is a lot of posturing going around
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Post by laughter on Jul 31, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -5
Oh good, the links seem to work. PS: I do prefer to acknowledge and publicly admit that I do not know, rather than posturing as if I did know stuff. Apologies or not, I do have a recurring feeling that there is a lot of posturing going around (** puffs out chest and glares at vacant **)
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Post by zendancer on Jul 31, 2015 16:36:14 GMT -5
Welcome back Vacant. What have you been doing lately? Still seeking, or have you lost interest?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:09:40 GMT -5
You know who is thinking and typing out it's thoughts on the computer, or is that unknown to you? Yes, just what I meant, Source, that is unknown to me. An easy answer would be "yes of course, it's Eye thinking and typing" but that is not satisfactory. Rather than tediously repeating myself because I have posted on that subject before, can I refer you to these rants and blabs all within the same thread at a few pages of each other, if you are at all interested: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/237685/threadspiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/237726/threadspiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/237730/threadhmmm, never done these kind of links to posts before, and the way they look in preview does not convince me they will work. Anyway, note that I am not proclaiming truths, merely that some widely assumed notions do not work for yours truly. I just don't know, and that's rather easy to live with. But as in my apology to Jay17, I'd better not conclude that others know as little as I do. You are confusing knowing with conceptual knowing or knowledge. You know you are seeing but you may not intellectually know the you that is seeing or the what is seen. You know you have a pain in your back, you may not intellectually know the you that feels that pain or what pain is but you still know it.
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Post by vacant on Aug 1, 2015 5:47:45 GMT -5
Oh good, the links seem to work. PS: I do prefer to acknowledge and publicly admit that I do not know, rather than posturing as if I did know stuff. Apologies or not, I do have a recurring feeling that there is a lot of posturing going around (** puffs out chest and glares at vacant **) Hehe! Way to go
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