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Post by tzujanli on Jun 7, 2015 20:14:55 GMT -5
I've taken the liberty of clarifying the post to indicate what resonates with a still mind's awareness.. How do you know you have a still mind's awareness or is it something you are looking for? No evidence to the contrary..
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Post by laughter on Jun 7, 2015 20:16:22 GMT -5
2. Several weeks before we went on the retreat Carol said, "You never stay silent on these kinds of retreats." I replied, "That's not true; I always stay silent except with you." She said, "That's what I mean; you're always talking to ME!" I said, "Well, we've jabbered together for forty years about existential matters, but if you want me to stay silent this time, I will not say a single word." After we got there, the silence between us lasted about an hour. Ha ha. Carol accusingly said, "See, I told you that this would happen." kant .. stop ... laughing .... please ..... send ...... help
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Post by laughter on Jun 7, 2015 20:24:30 GMT -5
That's the BS word game, 'appearances'.. what 'is' appears when it intersects the experiencer's awareness and informs the mind, and what experiencers imagine informs the mind, too.. nothing is 'hiding', some things are overlooked because that experiencer is 'looking for' confirmation of their beliefs without the willingness to 'see' everything.. just because something is not seen doesn't mean it's hiding.. I think I understand what your saying, you are separating 'I awareness', into an experiencer(I) with an attribute of awareness. I don't have a problem with that because that's the way it appears to me as well. I'm saying the appearance of separation(experiencer)(I) is an illusion. What's happening(wholeness) is made of what is; awareness and what it is not; appearance of a separate experiencer. "Experience" can refer to a pointer, the notion of perception in which what is perceived isn't other than what is perceiving. Or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 20:26:09 GMT -5
How do you know you have a still mind's awareness or is it something you are looking for? No evidence to the contrary.. How do you know there is no evidence to the contrary?
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Post by laughter on Jun 7, 2015 20:32:20 GMT -5
And still, there is no attempt to resolve the obvious contradiction between the claim of no separation and the actuality of its existence, just the usual strawman ridicule and dodge.. BTW, i've changed the picture, care to exemplify no separation and identify it??? There is no contradiction, only a mystery. Which is an apparent separation appearing in the presence of awareness. The appearance is an illusion. What's happening appears in the presence of awareness. No one can find what makes up the object of awareness, nor can they find an I that is the presence of awareness. Because there isn't anyone, or anything, there is Awareness, that's it. No contradiction just a simple mystery. Rather than following the contextual idea-play based on the word "separation", you can instead recognize that there's some attachment involved in the dialog and ask yourself what your orientation to that is. As you can tell from my history here, I'm no stranger to the entanglement. The way I'd describe the road to hell was as paved with the good intention of intensely efforting in the attempt to make myself understood.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 20:35:20 GMT -5
I think I understand what your saying, you are separating 'I awareness', into an experiencer(I) with an attribute of awareness. I don't have a problem with that because that's the way it appears to me as well. I'm saying the appearance of separation(experiencer)(I) is an illusion. What's happening(wholeness) is made of what is; awareness and what it is not; appearance of a separate experiencer. "Experience" can refer to a pointer, the notion of perception in which what is perceived isn't other than what is perceiving. Or not. Sure, it's hard to break the habit of seeing reality any other way, then the way I was taught.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 20:45:46 GMT -5
There is no contradiction, only a mystery. Which is an apparent separation appearing in the presence of awareness. The appearance is an illusion. What's happening appears in the presence of awareness. No one can find what makes up the object of awareness, nor can they find an I that is the presence of awareness. Because there isn't anyone, or anything, there is Awareness, that's it. No contradiction just a simple mystery. Rather than following the contextual idea-play based on the word "separation", you can instead recognize that there's some attachment involved in the dialog and ask yourself what your orientation to that is.As you can tell from my history here, I'm no stranger to the entanglement. The way I'd describe the road to hell was as paved with the good intention of making myself understood. Do you mean being aware of the mind gathering ideas and beliefs for purposes of discussion?
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Post by laughter on Jun 7, 2015 20:49:46 GMT -5
Rather than following the contextual idea-play based on the word "separation", you can instead recognize that there's some attachment involved in the dialog and ask yourself what your orientation to that is.As you can tell from my history here, I'm no stranger to the entanglement. The way I'd describe the road to hell was as paved with the good intention of making myself understood. Do you mean being aware of the mind gathering ideas and beliefs for purposes of discussion? Generally speaking, sure. More specific to the situation at hand: being aware of when your content has become the raw material for the image of an opponent to grind an axe of negative attachment against.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 21:19:58 GMT -5
Do you mean being aware of the mind gathering ideas and beliefs for purposes of discussion? Generally speaking, sure. More specific to the situation at hand: being aware of when your content has become the raw material for the image of an opponent to grind an axe of negative attachment against. I've never thought of it that way before. I am not proficient in the ways of tailoring content for axe grinders.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 7, 2015 21:25:50 GMT -5
No evidence to the contrary.. How do you know there is no evidence to the contrary? i don't.. there's simply none present..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 21:37:46 GMT -5
How do you know there is no evidence to the contrary? i don't.. there's simply none present.. That's a contradiction. You don't know... but you know there's simply none present.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 7, 2015 21:47:05 GMT -5
i don't.. there's simply none present.. That's a contradiction. You don't know... but you know there's simply none present. No contradiction, i don't know if there's evidence that is not present..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:43:45 GMT -5
That's a contradiction. You don't know... but you know there's simply none present. No contradiction, i don't know if there's evidence that is not present..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 1:59:46 GMT -5
No Sir. Only you can explore that possibility. That possibility remains open, with no evidence that it exists.. Looking into it alone will reveal it.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 8, 2015 4:59:08 GMT -5
That possibility remains open, with no evidence that it exists.. Looking into it alone will reveal it. Having looked into it with a still mind's clarity, i see that 'i' did not write the post i am replying to, hence there is an other writer, you..
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