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Post by zin on Nov 9, 2015 6:15:30 GMT -5
Hey sunshine, you must've heard the Mars news (water etc). Was there anything which supported your previous Mars theories? Sorry I forgot the contents of Mars videos I looked at some months ago.. Ola Zin, i havent seen that info yet...just tidbits...from what i know, i dont think it either confirms nor denies-- vales marinaris (the largest known canyon in our solar system),was formed by i giant thunderstroke--an electrical discharge between two planets...a possibility that has a lot of evidence to support it...(see ´´symbols of an alien sky part two--mars the lightning scarred planet´´)Nasa fails to explain how water can flow upwards...the ´´inlets´´ of that canyon (created by waterflow-says Nasa) are lower than the bottom of the canyon... Looking forward to seeing The Martian ? or did you see that movie already? No, I haven't seen it either! When Nasa was making the announcement I was curious about v. marineris, too, but it wasn't about that -- I can put a link here later, have to go now.
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 9, 2015 14:10:39 GMT -5
Hi Kiwilove. i saw and read the links you gave me. The time table is great (ehhh....:-), channelled i suppose, but the source of the info is as always with impure mediums, very doubtful. -- i didnt recognise the name at first, but i had already seen the brien foerster documentaries.Interesting. not sure if you saw the previous post of me...(?) The Billy Meier / Plejaren / Semjase info is not channelled as such. He is a UFO contactee and has such contacts since as a child. He is a modern day prophet, as per past biblical prophets. He corrects that info again for mankind. Frequent users of this site most probably have never heard of this guy in a positive light. eg. He's listed on that show the Top 10 Hoaxes of all time, or something like this, except in his case the doco team did not check out the validity of the critic, who is a known liar of dubious character. He's written/transferred spiritual text, such as The Goblet of Truth, and other such text, so people here should read his material via www.futureofmankind.co.uk site. They can decide for themselves if the text is worthwhile reading or not. He is worth spending decades researching - see the Youtube videos Talmud Jmmanuel in which Stevens, Martin, Rothe, and Deardoff give lectures. He is the only one who plainly says what our world problems are - overpopulation, and should acknowledge this is the case. He's the only one who says only Apollo 11 was hoaxed, and 13 did reach the moon to the deliver the same objects in place of Apollo 11. So that the Apollo 11 landing site would not be empty. It is easy to see how 11 was to be faked, so that the mission would be a complete success guaranteed. The moon race was politically driven and the US simply was not ready to deliver on that due date, nor could they afford any disaster that would make the soviets the masters of space travel.
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 9, 2015 14:37:51 GMT -5
Ed Leedskalnin's story is told in Nimoy's "In Search of... " series which you can find on Youtube. It is still very watchable and the most watchable of that series. Any inventor/scientist/engineer should be rebuilding what he worked on, and would be the cheapest in breakthroughs, since he used parts from junkyards.
At the other end is the work of John Searl, see The John Searl Story doco, which reviews his life's work, if you were in the late 70s? you would have heard of him then. I've giving my age away here, as these (including Meier) are from this time period, that their info came to light in the mass media, ie. TV.
Searl's work is in the manufacture of very special magnets (that are very expensive to manufacture and perfect) - but like Leedskalnin's flywheel design - you can clearly see that this involves the manipulation of magnetic (ie. electric) current moving within a toroid, ie. doughnut.
You can see this working in nature, via rarely seen smoke rings that come out from a volcano - the swirling vertices present. Maybe this is ideal for flying saucers as such? I've seen a diagram (which is different again to the two mentioned above) supposedly from a beamship? If the labelling and diagram is authentic? I don't know if it is or isn't seeing it was with some MJ-12 text, sourced from a BBS in the early 90s?
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 9, 2015 19:08:20 GMT -5
That interesting NASA footage is titled The Missing NASA Transmissions, with Martyn Stubbs being the key person involved speaking about it.
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Post by zin on Nov 10, 2015 3:31:42 GMT -5
Hey sunshine, you must've heard the Mars news (water etc). Was there anything which supported your previous Mars theories? Sorry I forgot the contents of Mars videos I looked at some months ago.. Ola Zin, i havent seen that info yet...just tidbits...from what i know, i dont think it either confirms nor denies-- vales marinaris (the largest known canyon in our solar system),was formed by i giant thunderstroke--an electrical discharge between two planets...a possibility that has a lot of evidence to support it...(see ´´symbols of an alien sky part two--mars the lightning scarred planet´´)Nasa fails to explain how water can flow upwards...the ´´inlets´´ of that canyon (created by waterflow-says Nasa) are lower than the bottom of the canyon... Looking forward to seeing The Martian ? or did you see that movie already? I said I would put a link here later, this is a tidbit, too; I had posted it here (on moderated section): www.fox26houston.com/news/26033982-storyBut that was in September, now the new news (for me, anyway) is that its "upper atmosphere is slowly leaking out into the cosmos" because of solar winds. www.theverge.com/2015/11/5/9676076/nasa-mars-atmosphere-loss-maven-spacecraft-solar-winds-waterIt says: "...at some point in Mars' history, there was a dramatic climate shift. Jakosky says this was likely triggered by the loss of Mars' magnetic field. Mars once had a swirling, molten iron core — just like Earth does today — and the movement of this electrically conducting material generated a magnetic field around the planet. This field, called a magnetosphere, protected Mars from damage by solar winds, just as Earth's magnetosphere protects us now. The field deflects incoming particles from the Sun and redirects them toward areas where the magnetic field is weakest — the planet's poles.
But billions of years ago, Mars' iron core froze and the strong, intrinsic magnetic field was lost. Mars still has a magnetic field today, but it's puny, and stems from magnetized rocks in the planet’s southern hemisphere."
But no matter what the news is, I like to hear from it!
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 10, 2015 16:37:37 GMT -5
It is not an easy task to say this is valid, whereas this other material is invalid. But such is this far out material - and you can't expect breakthroughs to happen - oh, it'll happen for sure - but more likely 80? or so years later, but maybe sooner if you are lucky? Don't expect NASA to be willing to divulge this kind of information - as they tend to censor/edit their public release of information very very carefully.
It does have to be acknowledged that ETs do exist, that habitable worlds are out there, as too advanced civilisations - and that any advanced civilisation must have gone the peaceful route - because how else are they going to advance technologically, spiritually, etc. While it is equally possible for there to be big bad aliens intent on enslaving us - the odds at worse are going to be 50/50. At best maybe 80/20 would be peaceful? I think what matters more, is - is the Earth ready to have official contact with another advanced civilisation, ie. ETs? The answer would have to be no - until we can stop region wide wars on this Earth, and learn to get along with each other - either externally with other countries etc, or internally - ie. stop the disharmony and discord that is within - because we certainly cannot deal with a superior race/civilisation. And that is where the mass media/our entertainments come in - in that they can aid the masses in being readied for such contact? Like Star Wars and Star Trek are good influences, whereas the Alien(s)/Prometheus variety is not so helpful. We should have dialogue and open discussion - so that everything is out in the open.
The reason why the reptilians (with the British Queen being one of them) scenario is not believable, is that it is too far fetched in the extreme. But this is not to say that such like is not plausible, that such underhand presence has not been here on this Earth. There are many stories like the reptilians but milder - more along the lines of Men in Black - the extreme of which is like the reptilians for sure. We do have vast areas on this Earth, still in which earth humans simply do not go to - and we cannot say for sure whether such ETs could live there - in such remote and inaccessible areas.
I tend to think that our ancient history is intertwined with ET stories, because they plainly say so - making our DNA part of them. Our future is tied to ET contact - this is a given.
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Post by zin on Nov 11, 2015 4:51:48 GMT -5
I replied here but what I write does not appear. Will try again, later!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 5:35:34 GMT -5
Ola Zin, i havent seen that info yet...just tidbits...from what i know, i dont think it either confirms nor denies-- vales marinaris (the largest known canyon in our solar system),was formed by i giant thunderstroke--an electrical discharge between two planets...a possibility that has a lot of evidence to support it...(see ´´symbols of an alien sky part two--mars the lightning scarred planet´´)Nasa fails to explain how water can flow upwards...the ´´inlets´´ of that canyon (created by waterflow-says Nasa) are lower than the bottom of the canyon... Looking forward to seeing The Martian ? or did you see that movie already? I said I would put a link here later, this is a tidbit, too; I had posted it here (on moderated section): www.fox26houston.com/news/26033982-storyBut that was in September, now the new news (for me, anyway) is that its "upper atmosphere is slowly leaking out into the cosmos" because of solar winds. www.theverge.com/2015/11/5/9676076/nasa-mars-atmosphere-loss-maven-spacecraft-solar-winds-waterIt says: "...at some point in Mars' history, there was a dramatic climate shift. Jakosky says this was likely triggered by the loss of Mars' magnetic field. Mars once had a swirling, molten iron core — just like Earth does today — and the movement of this electrically conducting material generated a magnetic field around the planet. This field, called a magnetosphere, protected Mars from damage by solar winds, just as Earth's magnetosphere protects us now. The field deflects incoming particles from the Sun and redirects them toward areas where the magnetic field is weakest — the planet's poles.
But billions of years ago, Mars' iron core froze and the strong, intrinsic magnetic field was lost. Mars still has a magnetic field today, but it's puny, and stems from magnetized rocks in the planet’s southern hemisphere."
But no matter what the news is, I like to hear from it! thank you, Zin, I will check out the links you gave.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 5:53:38 GMT -5
It is not an easy task to say this is valid, whereas this other material is invalid. But such is this far out material - and you can't expect breakthroughs to happen - oh, it'll happen for sure - but more likely 80? or so years later, but maybe sooner if you are lucky? Don't expect NASA to be willing to divulge this kind of information - as they tend to censor/edit their public release of information very very carefully. It does have to be acknowledged that ETs do exist, that habitable worlds are out there, as too advanced civilisations - and that any advanced civilisation must have gone the peaceful route - because how else are they going to advance technologically, spiritually, etc. While it is equally possible for there to be big bad aliens intent on enslaving us - the odds at worse are going to be 50/50. At best maybe 80/20 would be peaceful?I think what matters more, is - is the Earth ready to have official contact with another advanced civilisation, ie. ETs? The answer would have to be no - until we can stop region wide wars on this Earth, and learn to get along with each other - either externally with other countries etc, or internally - ie. stop the disharmony and discord that is within - because we certainly cannot deal with a superior race/civilisation. And that is where the mass media/our entertainments come in - in that they can aid the masses in being readied for such contact? Like Star Wars and Star Trek are good influences, whereas the Alien(s)/Prometheus variety is not so helpful. We should have dialogue and open discussion - so that everything is out in the open. The reason why the reptilians (with the British Queen being one of them) scenario is not believable, is that it is too far fetched in the extreme. But this is not to say that such like is not plausible, that such underhand presence has not been here on this Earth. There are many stories like the reptilians but milder - more along the lines of Men in Black - the extreme of which is like the reptilians for sure. We do have vast areas on this Earth, still in which earth humans simply do not go to - and we cannot say for sure whether such ETs could live there - in such remote and inaccessible areas. I tend to think that our ancient history is intertwined with ET stories, because they plainly say so - making our DNA part of them. Our future is tied to ET contact - this is a given. I dug into the whole reptilian thing a couple of years ago.Alex Collier,(insists he is not an abductee--but a ´´contactee´´. David Icke, Credo Mottwa, Peggy Kane (she is deluded for sure)...will try and reply more later. quoting you:´´bad aliens intent on enslaving us - the odds at worse are going to be 50/50. At best maybe 80/20 would be peaceful?´´ well, here´s a thought for you---we keep animals and eat them--they are ´´inferior´´ to humans--at least we treat them that way.Usa alone 10 billion land animals get raised, tortured,maimed and killed every year...in the most gruesome way... if everything is vibration and resonance, it seems likely that this our behaviour and vibration attracts ´´aliens´´ who have similar behaviour--if they can travel here, they most likely view us as inferior and ready for exploitation... as long as we treat our planet the way we do, we are likely to get visits from those who are willing to help us in our quest for self destruction...
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 11, 2015 6:05:27 GMT -5
With the recent news about water on Mars, etc via NASA - there is never the consideration that Mars was once a very fertile planet, and went through the same stage as Earth - of plant, animal and even human life there.
The Enterprise mission site goes as far as identifying remnants of human made objects etc, found scattered about - but there is the lack of clarity in these photographs.
Something weird is found on Mars, or is it on Phobos - a monolith like object pointed out by Buzz Aldrin. Someone else? mentions how Phobos is oddly shaped, that it could be a huge alien potatoe shaped spacecraft. I don't know much about this, whether it stands up to what it is suppose to be about.
Do not forget that the Moon is suppose to have had strange structures on it - but we never see recent photos of those intriguing areas where strange structures were seen in the past. Enterprise Mission points out that when an Apollo photograph is brightened considerably - broken glass like structures can then be seen?
With Mars an area of great interest would be nearby the site of the Face on Mars - so called Cydonia, where a pyramid like structures are supposedly present. Of course the Mars rover never ever goes near here - to give us any close up views - NASA never shows any interest in confirming or denying such wild claims. Never mind this would be a huge publicity coup - that would greatly generate public interest in the Mars missions. I don't know whether to believe any of the Enterprise Mission material or not?
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 11, 2015 6:22:15 GMT -5
You can take any view you like as to whether aliens would be peaceful or warlike to us.
Billy Meier actually does have far out claims on the matter - as to their involvement with humankind. That they were beneficial to us at first, and then exploited us - this history is given in The 251st Contact Notes. Even to say they had a huge UFO under the Giza pyramid at one time. I think there was a historical account of weird going ons within the Giza pyramid that seem to support this. And even claims that they masterminded the creation of earth's religions designed to enslave us. They would keep their involvement secret -because that is how nasty things can be done, and gotten away with.
Our ancient past - via our myths and legends tell how they openly visited us, back then - even helping different cultures with their civilisation. Ancient Aliens tell this story. Here in New Zealand the Maoris have a special veneration for the Pleiades - incidentally where Meier's contacts come from (although they say it is not in our space/time continuum - essentially out of phase with our dimension/reality - but still of a physical nature).
There are bound to be savage races/etc who do make use of hi-tech - because we are also an example of this. We are certainly hell bent on self destruction - as too past civilisations who went that way for one reason or another. Many we know little about, nor how or why they died out?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 6:45:57 GMT -5
With the recent news about water on Mars, etc via NASA - there is never the consideration that Mars was once a very fertile planet, and went through the same stage as Earth - of plant, animal and even human life there. The Enterprise mission site goes as far as identifying remnants of human made objects etc, found scattered about - but there is the lack of clarity in these photographs. Something weird is found on Mars, or is it on Phobos - a monolith like object pointed out by Buzz Aldrin. Someone else? mentions how Phobos is oddly shaped, that it could be a huge alien potatoe shaped spacecraft. I don't know much about this, whether it stands up to what it is suppose to be about.Do not forget that the Moon is suppose to have had strange structures on it - but we never see recent photos of those intriguing areas where strange structures were seen in the past. Enterprise Mission points out that when an Apollo photograph is brightened considerably - broken glass like structures can then be seen? With Mars an area of great interest would be nearby the site of the Face on Mars - so called Cydonia, where a pyramid like structures are supposedly present. Of course the Mars rover never ever goes near here - to give us any close up views - NASA never shows any interest in confirming or denying such wild claims. Never mind this would be a huge publicity coup - that would greatly generate public interest in the Mars missions. I don't know whether to believe any of the Enterprise Mission material or not? quoting: Someone else? mentions how Phobos is oddly shaped, that it could be a huge alien potatoe shaped spacecraft. I don't know much about this, whether it stands up to what it is suppose to be about.The shape of phobos has been explained by the Thunderbolts project.Not sure if it is in this video, but search a bit and you´ll find the explanation. www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/07/17/phobos-2/The Face on Mars has been debunked...just a play of light and shadow...there is nbothing there but random rocks.Sorry... edit: hmmm , strange, the vid doesnt appear in the post...here is the link www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/07/17/phobos-2/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 7:20:43 GMT -5
You can take any view you like as to whether aliens would be peaceful or warlike to us. Billy Meier actually does have far out claims on the matter - as to their involvement with humankind. That they were beneficial to us at first, and then exploited us - this history is given in The 251st Contact Notes. Even to say they had a huge UFO under the Giza pyramid at one time. I think there was a historical account of weird going ons within the Giza pyramid that seem to support this. And even claims that they masterminded the creation of earth's religions designed to enslave us. They would keep their involvement secret -because that is how nasty things can be done, and gotten away with. Our ancient past - via our myths and legends tell how they openly visited us, back then - even helping different cultures with their civilisation. Ancient Aliens tell this story. Here in New Zealand the Maoris have a special veneration for the Pleiades - incidentally where Meier's contacts come from (although they say it is not in our space/time continuum - essentially out of phase with our dimension/reality - but still of a physical nature). There are bound to be savage races/etc who do make use of hi-tech - because we are also an example of this. We are certainly hell bent on self destruction - as too past civilisations who went that way for one reason or another. Many we know little about, nor how or why they died out? people wonder why these aliens havent contacted us...would you go on a picknick with a chimpansee?Or a cow?Have a conversation on the mysteries of space and time and creation, with a dog? hi-tech? WE?? arent our inventions mostly crutches and flawd charicatures of our true potential? We dont even understand how telepathy works, or prayer, or telekinesis...we know nothing about ourselves ...we are slaves...
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 11, 2015 16:56:08 GMT -5
I have no idea what this site is really about with it's titled naming - what so called 'spiritual' actually means to a lot of the people here. I don't go along with the spiritual teacher concept because I don't think the 'teacher' term applies? There is no one who has mastered the art of - and is then able to pass that ability on to another. You can look at the case of Jesus - who could levitate - has that ability been passed on? The same with his spiritual healing - or the ability to feed the 5000? If not Jesus, then anyone else? Sure, meditation is a good thing/practice - but then do people expect to gain powers from doing it?
If the least that is gained - is a calmness within oneself and to carry this forth into the general population at large - even that would be a good thing, to show you don't need dangerous drugs to trip out, escape from this reality temporarily - leave your troubles and fears, etc behind for a while.
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Post by zin on Nov 11, 2015 18:58:09 GMT -5
.... It does have to be acknowledged that ETs do exist, that habitable worlds are out there, as too advanced civilisations - and that any advanced civilisation must have gone the peaceful route - because how else are they going to advance technologically, spiritually, etc. While it is equally possible for there to be big bad aliens intent on enslaving us - the odds at worse are going to be 50/50. At best maybe 80/20 would be peaceful? I think noone can be more ignorant and unconscious than us! An 'official contact' may never happen, a collective contact I mean. I think so too (about future) but again, not in an 'official' way. I don't read reptilian stories, I don't think about bad aliens. And, a contact will be made for what, other than for imparting some info on this and that? My own interest is about space travel, I think that's all (haven't thought on it too much). Just wander around and return... Probably the only thing an average person can do is to be positive about it (no bad scenarios in mind) .
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