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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2015 21:53:38 GMT -5
Never read him but either he's wrong or your misapplying his idea to what I wrote. To be clear, the Q&A was in the context of time-bound appearance of the individual. It's possible to enter states of consciousness that minimally engage conditioning and in which there is no perception of the subject/object split. Writing about these sounds contradictory, because although after the fact it's described as a time-bound experience, the state itself seems timeless and absent the boundary between experiencer and experience. It's also possible to move and interact in the world with no resistance, no sense of self-referentiality and no psychological division between oneself and the world. The point about the persistence of subjectivity -- which at core is simply perspective -- is more clear in the case of flow because it's the body and the mind that move in the world, and each of these three objects are defined by and the result of conditions. The condition of the body starts with DNA at birth and is shaped by experience over time to result in whatever state it's in at any given moment. This general idea and a similar set of characteristics can be stated about both the mind and the world. It's less clear in terms of the deepest meditative state but the fact is that the mediator can be observed by someone looking at them and all of the details of their physiology described during the time they are in it. "Self-remembering" sounds like "Self realization", but you see, what that refers to is only tangentially related to conditions, and these objects of mind, body and world are only appearances relative to what's pointed to by the notion of "Self" in "Self Realization". Now it's true that there's this consensus on the idea of a "self-realized individual", but the conditions of each such body/mind are all quite unique. While the question of whether the commonality between such individuals can be quantified might seem interesting, the answer to it can never not be one that will inevitably lead to confusion.  (** ahem ahem .. Gary Webber ... ahem **) First of all, I don't know why my post warranted a new thread, especially with such a title? ....other than the obvious. What's obvious for anyone who has been here a while is that I am not a "hardcore" non-dualist, and in the view of the hardcore non-dualists, I'm probably not any kind of non-dualist, at all. That doesn't bother me, but the point is, I present another view here, obviously. Now, anyone reading posts cannot help but read through their own viewpoint. Meaning, I'm just wrong in how I see the universe, I can't help but be wrong in the view of the hardcore non-dualists. But I see that as others viewing through their own subjectivity, but ATST I'm sure they don't, at least the SRed. Saying all that to say that self-remembering has very little to do with what's called Self Realization, except that both have to do with seeing what's imaginary. As I was not inclined to post at all on this thread, but having done so, I will most likely not post further, here, most likely not even visit this thread, again, to whom it may concern.  relax 'dusty .. ZD tried to revive the MT so I started this to try to abet, but it was obviously a futility. The name wasn't a dig at you at all man I just found that replying to the idea of a third state of consciousness involved a major engagement of mind. There's nothing wrong with TMT, nothing shameful about it. As to the substance of what you've written, I say in reply, that reality is not subjective. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 31, 2015 2:04:27 GMT -5
But a spiral of digression is an orderly procession that spins logically and with a sort of grace that lacks the turn of the random notion that pops into the head and suddenly switches the train of thought from the track that was leading out into the metaphorical quiet country onto the bridge over the river leading back to the metropolis of the mind. In this way the futility is encountered but never for long and any thoughts of overloading the engine with too much coal is quickly burned out by the failsafe self-sustaining routine that runs on the train conductors I-Pad that is standard hypermind issue so there is no question of volition involved as the hyperminder is just loaded up and set on runaway-mode and equipped with a piercing whistle that isn't so much a warning as a tactic to distract the people that live and drive around the tracks. Sleep is where the hypermind is repleted and it's very important for the hyperminder to start off the day immediately immersed in thoughts of existential questioning that can reach an optimal level quantified by the number of paradoxes encountered per minute. Central to those thoughts of course is the question of what one is and it is imperative that any and all options be left open and of course, the fact that the only certainty is that there is no certainty is the hyperminder's core creed, first principle and the grease that keeps the wheels of the train spinning. The is no certainty at all, only contradictions, which is part of this all consuming quest for knowing, the search for the tangible, the lust for love, and all because to know what isn't knowledge is to die to die, and everything that is known as knowledge will be lost... even loss, and of all known things that one is afraid to lose, loss itself is the greatest, so regardless of its fuel, that which it consumes and also consumes it, the hypermind comes to the dwelling on death. Of death it can be certain, of that it both can and can't control, but you know what drives the suicidal? Where all control is lost, all but the choice of living and dying, or rather, the choice to die is in my hands. The life is not a choice, there's no control of life. How outrageous is the hyperminds control issue where to live is not choosen for life is already here, and to die is your only choice... unless you're already dying. Now the entire year and the year after that will filled with the musings of death. From mornings first moment thought will be of death, how much I crave it, for cravings are only of death. Like the orgasm: that most desired sensataton is the desire for death in that moment. Or God: to die for God, and in that orgasmic moment, what perversion mouths, 'Oh God Oh God'? But for the hypermind, death is not mere desire. Death is the black cloud of utter certainty, it's can be relied on doubtlessly. It's deemed to be that tangible thing that must be avoided by every cell in the body, yet desired unlike any other thing.
The hypermind is always in contradiction. Undetermined by creeds of uncertainty, contradiction is what keeps the wheels turning.
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relax 'dusty .. ZD tried to revive the MT so I started this to try to abet, but it was obviously a futility. 