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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 9:37:21 GMT -5
Perhaps one should pay special attention to 31:57 - 32:17 www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xayU4f5--IAfter listening to this interview it is also clear that what I am describing as "bliss" is the stillness of Self, and not a state of euphoria that requires any doing or is dependant upon any conditions/causes. |
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Post by jay17 on Mar 23, 2015 10:35:37 GMT -5
Resonate - Be received or understood. Synonym - Come across. Hyponym - Strike a cord. Derived - Resonance. Resonance - A relationship of mutual understanding or trust and agreement between people. Therefore, stating something as Truth does not automatically mean it is absolute truth. It can also simply mean you agree with the data to such an extent that you classify it as truth. If you regard it as truth, may it serve you well. And if the goal is to find things that are of benefit, then the action of labeling things as truth becomes irrelevant, and all that is required is examination and testing to find what is of benefit. Then you can remove yourself from the wasteful battlefields awash with people fighting to defend their truths and attacking that which they classify as false, and you can allocate your finite human time and effort towards things that benefit yourself and those you love. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 11:37:06 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other.
If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did.
So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 11:47:08 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other. If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did. So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own. a bunch of teachers? it's only had one reply! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 11:54:52 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other. If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did. So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own. Hi Roy, I have a question. If the premise that there is no separate volitional person, is to be accepted. Would the corollary idea that the doings or the appearance of volitional persons meditating, working, shopping, etc, etc, actually be meaningless folly? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:10:36 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other. If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did. So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own. a bunch of teachers? it's only had one reply! Yes, that comment was inaccurate and a projection of mind. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:12:05 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other. If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did. So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own. Hi Roy, I have a question. If the premise that there is no separate volitional person, is to be accepted. Would the corollary idea that the doings or the appearance of volitional persons meditating, working, shopping, etc, etc, actually be meaningless folly? Yes, all ideas are meaningless folly. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2015 13:16:14 GMT -5
a bunch of teachers? it's only had one reply! Yes, that comment was inaccurate and a projection of mind. Thanks for pointing that out. It was still defensible as a prediction though, but what can be discerned is that it embodied both a double-bind, while the projection you admitted to is arguable. |
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Post by jay17 on Mar 23, 2015 13:25:51 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other. If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did. So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own. If you require to classify the two of us as teachers, i see no reason to interfere with what you store in your mindtank. From my perspective, as a human being, equal to all other human beings, i simply read your thoughts and responded with my own. It seems to me that the role\title\label\identification of 'student' and 'teacher', if such a thing aids in one's journey, and i do appreciate identifiers, so i am not inferring using them is always a sign of error...but it seems more reasonable to me that such things are self assigned, in accordance with what the individual concludes\perceive\reasons they have experienced in the situation. That is, if you\someone\self has learnt something, then you are in teacher mode, having taught yourself, utilizing new info to increase understanding...and if you are open to receive new information, then one is in student mode. It seems to me it is not required to always label another as 'teacher' just because they are sharing info that you, after the experience, conclude is useful. For it could very well be the other has an attitude based on not knowing if the info they share will be accepted as valuable\beneficial, that they do not assume the position of teacher, see no need or desire to. For all they are doing is sharing their thoughts from their experiential journey, at an equal level to all the other humans on their own explorative journeys within this interactive realm. It is unclear to me why you are mentioning the danger of going to a level of pointing out other's egos...but in hindsight, part of me doesn't want to know as i speculate you are anti ego, that you find something inherently wrong about ego, and i do not experience mutually productive convos with anti ego people. But, on the other hand, it is not wise to project past experiences onto unknown future ones, so feel free to share your thoughts on ego if you feel so inclined. Lastly, considering what i have already shared about the term 'truth', it seems to me that the practice of self examination\introspection does not automatically produce a decrease in delusion and increase in clarity of sight to see reality as it is. No doubt, in my experiences, that the potential exists for this beneficial change to occur, but because anyone can label anything they like as 'truth', it is not a 100% sure thing. For by the very definition of Delusion, deceiving oneself with false claims of truth comes in varying degrees in that one can think one has found an absolute truth, when all one has done is substitute one lie for another, because they have not discovered an actual truth, but have once again simply assigned a 'truth' label to a bunch of data that they strongly agree with. Such is the glitch in the matrix of seeking out this humanly constructed concept of Truth, the glitch being 'truth' can be personally assigned to anything, and be totally believed, even when it is not true. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2015 13:29:33 GMT -5
Yes, well as usual this thread is already starting to develope into a bunch of teachers trying to teach each other. If one can gain something of use from the interview, that is perfect. I did. So perhaps focus can be directed inward toward Self, and from that introspection delusion will give way to Reality. What I am suggesting is that if there is discussion, it not be at the level of trying to point out other's egos, for this is simply mirroring one's own. If you require to classify the two of us as teachers, i see no reason to interfere with what you store in your mindtank. From my perspective, as a human being, equal to all other human beings, i simply read your thoughts and responded with my own. It seems to me that the role\title\label\identification of 'student' and 'teacher', if such a thing aids in one's journey, and i do appreciate identifiers, so i am not inferring using them is always a sign of error...but it seems more reasonable to me that such things are self assigned, in accordance with what the individual concludes\perceive\reasons they have experienced in the situation. That is, if you\someone\self has learnt something, then you are in teacher mode, having taught yourself, utilizing new info to increase understanding...and if you are open to receive new information, then one is in student mode. It seems to me it is not required to always label another as 'teacher' just because they are sharing info that you, after the experience, conclude is useful. For it could very well be the other has an attitude based on not knowing if the info they share will be accepted as valuable\beneficial, that they do not assume the position of teacher, see no need or desire to. For all they are doing is sharing their thoughts from their experiential journey, at an equal level to all the other humans on their own explorative journeys within this interactive realm. It is unclear to me why you are mentioning the danger of going to a level of pointing out other's egos...but in hindsight, part of me doesn't want to know as i speculate you are anti ego, that you find something inherently wrong about ego, and i do not experience mutually productive convos with anti ego people. But, on the other hand, it is not wise to project past experiences onto unknown future ones, so feel free to share your thoughts on ego if you feel so inclined. Lastly, considering what i have already shared about the term 'truth', it seems to me that the practice of self examination\introspection does not automatically produce a decrease in delusion and increase in clarity of sight to see reality as it is. No doubt, in my experiences, that the potential exists for this beneficial change to occur, but because anyone can label anything they like as 'truth', it is not a 100% sure thing. For by the very definition of Delusion, deceiving oneself with false claims of truth comes in varying degrees in that one can think one has found an absolute truth, when all one has done is substitute one lie for another, because they have not discovered an actual truth, but have once again simply assigned a 'truth' label to a bunch of data that they strongly agree with. Such is the glitch in the matrix of seeking out this humanly constructed concept of Truth, the glitch being 'truth' can be personally assigned to anything, and be totally believed, even when it is not true. ... MG?? ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:33:02 GMT -5
Yes, that comment was inaccurate and a projection of mind. Thanks for pointing that out. It was still defensible as a prediction though, but what can be discerned is that it embodied both a double-bind and, arguably, a projection. "no, no, no!... [insert out-teaching teachery words here]" (just to fulfill the prophecy)  |
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2015 13:36:14 GMT -5
It was still defensible as a prediction though, but what can be discerned is that it embodied both a double-bind and, arguably, a projection. "no, no, no!... [insert out-teaching teachery words here]" (just to fulfill the prophecy)  Roy "Nostradamus" Dopson |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:47:16 GMT -5
It was still defensible as a prediction though, but what can be discerned is that it embodied both a double-bind and, arguably, a projection. "no, no, no!... [insert out-teaching teachery words here]" (just to fulfill the prophecy)  |
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Post by jay17 on Mar 23, 2015 13:51:47 GMT -5
... MG?? ... Yep, could not get proboards to acknowledge anything M-G, so i am using my recently created back up. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:56:21 GMT -5
"no, no, no!... [insert out-teaching teachery words here]" (just to fulfill the prophecy) this forum has quite the collection of cups, that's for sure... and some are fuller than others ;-) its best not to judge it too harshly, too quickly. most of us regulars have been talking here for years, and some of that familiarity can make for some unusual comments... which a newer person might mistake as being something its not |
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