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Post by laughter on Mar 22, 2015 21:53:04 GMT -5
The very fact that you use such a term (one that specifically references a physically based kind of feeling of bodily pleasure) to describe what others are terming bliss/peace/joy, indicates that you're not understanding what is actually being referred to. And please note; It's not 'expectations' that are being talked about, but rather, the sharing of actual experience.... Not so much what 'should' happen, or what can be expected to happen, but rather, what Is happening. Well if you think that there's a misunderstanding you're always welcome to express yourself more fully on the matter. (** straight face **)In terms of the expectation, if it's not there, then the comment obviously doesn't apply ... do you want to litigate on the question of whether or not the expectation has been expressed in this thread? Yeah. That's what I figured.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 23, 2015 0:07:15 GMT -5
So, you just call it bliss or happiness in order to deliberately confuse bliss bunnies and samunkies? It doesn't matter what you call it. It is what it is. Let's call it happfabulblissorgasmabunnyism. How about that? Sorry, but that's the same old nonsense again... How about you call it what it is, peace?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 0:57:59 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what you call it. It is what it is. Let's call it happfabulblissorgasmabunnyism. How about that? Sorry, but that's the same old nonsense again... How about you call it what it is, peace? OK, if that works for you.
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Post by onehandclapping on Mar 23, 2015 1:29:12 GMT -5
Almost always, which maybe others can speak to examples where this didn't happen for someone, but with most people who have an awakening experience, they go through a time afterwards where everything is blissful and wonderful. It's called the stink of enlightenment by some peeps. You can ask ZD to clarify further as he's the resident dictionary for Zen stuff. Haha. I also know that Adyashanti talks about it sometimes in his YouTube clips. Most everyone experiences the stink but eventually it fades and you come to realize that it's just this, normal everyday life. Nothing special. Just This. And then bliss fades and a deeper connectivity and understanding begins to take hold. The best word I could use to describe it is peace. That's a valid comment. I use the words bliss and peace interchangeability and it is certainly permanent. The problem is that to most people the word bliss suggests something exciting and ecstatic. It is not like that. It is as solid as a rock. It is quite natural. After SR, the unfolding and deepening of experience is never ending as Adyashanti has spoken about frequently. Bliss and peace interchangeable?? Interesting. I find peace to be a more accurate word. The word Bliss gives a feeling of movement or passing state. Where as the word peace is more motionless or at rest. I wonder if your use of both interchangeably will change after a few more years of trying to explain the unexplainable. It's funny how some words seem so accurate and then suddenly one day they change and seem to miss the mark. Or at least that's been my experience over the past four years. Haha. I don't know if I agree with there being a "deepening of experience". Deepening indicates a gaining of something you didn't have before. Gaining a deeper (different) experience would mean you aren't already complete and full. That doesn't seem to hit the mark for me. Maybe the mind becomes more informed (ah ha moments) on nuance things which gives it the feeling of a deepening, but that which you realize you are, doesn't really deepen IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 1:43:44 GMT -5
That's a valid comment. I use the words bliss and peace interchangeability and it is certainly permanent. The problem is that to most people the word bliss suggests something exciting and ecstatic. It is not like that. It is as solid as a rock. It is quite natural. After SR, the unfolding and deepening of experience is never ending as Adyashanti has spoken about frequently. Bliss and peace interchangeable?? Interesting. I find peace to be a more accurate word. The word Bliss gives a feeling of movement or passing state. Where as the word peace is more motionless or at rest. I wonder if your use of both interchangeably will change after a few more years of trying to explain the unexplainable. It's funny how some words seem so accurate and then suddenly one day they change and seem to miss the mark. Or at least that's been my experience over the past four years. Haha. I don't know if I agree with there being a "deepening of experience". Deepening indicates a gaining of something you didn't have before. Gaining a deeper (different) experience would mean you aren't already complete and full. That doesn't seem to hit the mark for me. Maybe the mind becomes more informed (ah ha moments) on nuance things which gives it the feeling of a deepening, but that which you realize you are, doesn't really deepen IMHO. Bliss (ananda) has a particular meaning in Vedanta. Yes it is peace of course. In SR it is always there without volition. Just to be clear and I've said this before there are no levels of SR, but there continues to be an unfolding of experience which changes over time. Perhaps deepening is misleading. But this unfolding is all from the unchanging silence of source. I was playing with reefs because it is not necessary to focus too much on the words as if getting the right word somehow validates or confirms the experience. The words I use are completely irrelevant to what I am. I could say anything. I like the word bliss because it says something more than peace about unmanifest Self expressed as manifest Self in the relative which is the totality of all experience.
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Post by onehandclapping on Mar 23, 2015 2:01:40 GMT -5
Bliss and peace interchangeable?? Interesting. I find peace to be a more accurate word. The word Bliss gives a feeling of movement or passing state. Where as the word peace is more motionless or at rest. I wonder if your use of both interchangeably will change after a few more years of trying to explain the unexplainable. It's funny how some words seem so accurate and then suddenly one day they change and seem to miss the mark. Or at least that's been my experience over the past four years. Haha. I don't know if I agree with there being a "deepening of experience". Deepening indicates a gaining of something you didn't have before. Gaining a deeper (different) experience would mean you aren't already complete and full. That doesn't seem to hit the mark for me. Maybe the mind becomes more informed (ah ha moments) on nuance things which gives it the feeling of a deepening, but that which you realize you are, doesn't really deepen IMHO. Bliss (ananda) has a particular meaning in Vedanta. Yes it is peace of course. In SR it is always there without volition. Just to be clear and I've said this before there are no levels of SR, but there continues to be an unfolding of experience which changes over time. Perhaps deepening is misleading. But this unfolding is all from the unchanging silence of source. I was playing with reefs because it is not necessary to focus too much on the words as if getting the right word somehow validates or confirms the experience. The words I use are completely irrelevant to what I am. I could say anything. I like the word bliss because it says something more than peace about unmanifest Self expressed as manifest Self in the relative which is the totality of all experience. What do you mean by "unfolding of experience which changes over time"? Are you talking about changing for the experiencer? Or forms/ideas/mind bodies changing? Or what? I don't get what "changes over time".... You start out as THIS, end up as THIS, and realize you were THIS all along. Haha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 2:13:09 GMT -5
Bliss (ananda) has a particular meaning in Vedanta. Yes it is peace of course. In SR it is always there without volition. Just to be clear and I've said this before there are no levels of SR, but there continues to be an unfolding of experience which changes over time. Perhaps deepening is misleading. But this unfolding is all from the unchanging silence of source. I was playing with reefs because it is not necessary to focus too much on the words as if getting the right word somehow validates or confirms the experience. The words I use are completely irrelevant to what I am. I could say anything. I like the word bliss because it says something more than peace about unmanifest Self expressed as manifest Self in the relative which is the totality of all experience. What do you mean by "unfolding of experience which changes over time"? Are you talking about changing for the experiencer? Or forms/ideas/mind bodies changing? Or what? I don't get what "changes over time".... You start out as THIS, end up as THIS, and realize you were THIS all along. Haha. Ha ha. Of course the personal has new experiences, all within the unchanging impersonal. The interface between the absolute and relative is where bliss blossoms forth.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 23, 2015 5:22:47 GMT -5
Bliss and peace interchangeable?? Interesting. I find peace to be a more accurate word. The word Bliss gives a feeling of movement or passing state. Where as the word peace is more motionless or at rest. I wonder if your use of both interchangeably will change after a few more years of trying to explain the unexplainable. It's funny how some words seem so accurate and then suddenly one day they change and seem to miss the mark. Or at least that's been my experience over the past four years. Haha. I don't know if I agree with there being a "deepening of experience". Deepening indicates a gaining of something you didn't have before. Gaining a deeper (different) experience would mean you aren't already complete and full. That doesn't seem to hit the mark for me. Maybe the mind becomes more informed (ah ha moments) on nuance things which gives it the feeling of a deepening, but that which you realize you are, doesn't really deepen IMHO. Bliss (ananda) has a particular meaning in Vedanta. Yes it is peace of course. In SR it is always there without volition. Just to be clear and I've said this before there are no levels of SR, but there continues to be an unfolding of experience which changes over time. Perhaps deepening is misleading. But this unfolding is all from the unchanging silence of source. I was playing with reefs because it is not necessary to focus too much on the words as if getting the right word somehow validates or confirms the experience. The words I use are completely irrelevant to what I am. I could say anything. I like the word bliss because it says something more than peace about unmanifest Self expressed as manifest Self in the relative which is the totality of all experience. That 'like' creates a bias, an attachment that distorts your perspective..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 5:51:28 GMT -5
Bliss (ananda) has a particular meaning in Vedanta. Yes it is peace of course. In SR it is always there without volition. Just to be clear and I've said this before there are no levels of SR, but there continues to be an unfolding of experience which changes over time. Perhaps deepening is misleading. But this unfolding is all from the unchanging silence of source. I was playing with reefs because it is not necessary to focus too much on the words as if getting the right word somehow validates or confirms the experience. The words I use are completely irrelevant to what I am. I could say anything. I like the word bliss because it says something more than peace about unmanifest Self expressed as manifest Self in the relative which is the totality of all experience. That 'like' creates a bias, an attachment that distorts your perspective.. I also like pizza.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 5:55:33 GMT -5
Bliss (ananda) has a particular meaning in Vedanta. Yes it is peace of course. In SR it is always there without volition. Just to be clear and I've said this before there are no levels of SR, but there continues to be an unfolding of experience which changes over time. Perhaps deepening is misleading. But this unfolding is all from the unchanging silence of source. I was playing with reefs because it is not necessary to focus too much on the words as if getting the right word somehow validates or confirms the experience. The words I use are completely irrelevant to what I am. I could say anything. I like the word bliss because it says something more than peace about unmanifest Self expressed as manifest Self in the relative which is the totality of all experience. That 'like' creates a bias, an attachment that distorts your perspective.. always the contrarian, eh? focusing only on the dead words renders you blind to the story that the words hope to tell
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 23, 2015 5:57:12 GMT -5
That 'like' creates a bias, an attachment that distorts your perspective.. I also like pizza. Cool.. are there many pizza shops in T'land.. i'll wager that you understand the point my post you quoted, and are deflecting an honest reply with your pizza quip..
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 23, 2015 6:00:40 GMT -5
That 'like' creates a bias, an attachment that distorts your perspective.. always the contrarian, eh? focusing only on the dead words renders you blind to the story that the words hope to tell The 'words' tell the story, i'm focused on the story's relation to 'isness'.. attachment blinds the experiencer to that isness.. 'That which is' AND that which 'it' is..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 6:26:29 GMT -5
Cool.. are there many pizza shops in T'land.. i'll wager that you understand the point my post you quoted, and are deflecting an honest reply with your pizza quip.. That was an honest reply, but you'll have to think hard about what it means.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2015 7:19:30 GMT -5
Cool.. are there many pizza shops in T'land.. i'll wager that you understand the point my post you quoted, and are deflecting an honest reply with your pizza quip.. That was an honest reply, but you'll have to think hard about what it means. Sometimes it's hard to recognize honesty. Ha ha.
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Post by figgles on Mar 23, 2015 10:31:03 GMT -5
What do you mean by "unfolding of experience which changes over time"? Are you talking about changing for the experiencer? Or forms/ideas/mind bodies changing? Or what? I don't get what "changes over time".... You start out as THIS, end up as THIS, and realize you were THIS all along. Haha. Ha ha. Of course the personal has new experiences, all within the unchanging impersonal. The interface between the absolute and relative is where bliss blossoms forth.Nice. Well said.
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