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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 6:18:44 GMT -5
I am not going to state matter-of-factly what exactly Self-Realization is, but rather I am going to share my experience, for I feel that experience/Life is the pudding in which proof is manifest.
My experience is that SR is not some sort of understanding or knowing sitting in the back of my consciousness. It is much more real and tangible, in an almost physical way. Tolle actually hummed at a certain frequency in an interview trying to describe it. Ramana said that his shaking, and the reason he used a walking stick, was due to the overwhelming power of Self coming through. So the knowing or understanding is a by-product of describing/relating from the perspective of the experience. The knowing isn't intellectual, it's experiential.
What is different for me now than before is that there is another entity/presence here that never used to be. As Ramana put it: "Something new shines through." Of course this is simply the Self that had previously gone unnoticed. This presence is here all the time. There is awareness of the continuum of presence. There is a quality of, Ramana described it, "inward awareness." The pull of Reality is so... REAL, that nothing in the realms of thought/physicality attract. Abidance in/as this Reality has resulted in a dramatic and wonderful change in the life of "roy dopson." To put it succinctly, I'm just so f*cking happy all the time! So for me, life has definitely not continued on as it did before, only a little bit better. It's like being in love all the time, with no breaks. It's Nirvana!
It's difficult so identify what is mind playing its old tricks and what is Reality. I would suggest that one check understanding/belief against experience as often and as objectively as possible. You may be missing, just slightly.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 16, 2015 8:31:41 GMT -5
There is a story from the Buddha's time about a blind man who was a great logician. There is no difficulty; eyes are not needed to be a logician. And because he was a great logician, nobody could prove to him that light exists. He argued and argued so clearly, "You are just befooling yourself, or you want me to be humiliated as a blind man. But I say, there is no light".
And this reasoning was very clear, crystal clear. He said. "I am ready for every experiment. I want to touch it - bring me to where there is light. I want to taste it. I am ready to smell it, I am ready to hear the sound of it".
Naturally the people were at a loss. What to do with this man? He is blind but he is a great debater. As far as arguments are concerned, he is always the winner, because nobody can manage to make the sound of light, nothing like that exists, the taste of light, or the touch of light.
Once Gautama Buddha was just on the way towards the capital city of Vaishali, and he passed the village where the blind man lived. People thought, "This is a good opportunity. Perhaps this is the last opportunity - if this man can even defeat Buddha through his argumentation, then we are finished. Perhaps light does not exist. Perhaps we are dreaming about light". That's what he used to say to people, "You are dreaming. Just cool down, be alert: there is no light, all is darkness".
They brought the man to Buddha. They thought that Buddha would argue with him, but instead of arguing with him, Buddha said, "You have brought him to the wrong person. He does not need more argumentation, because no argumentation can prove light. He needs a physician, a surgeon". Buddha had his own personal physician, the best physician of those days, given to him by the king of Vaishali. The physician followed him continuously for forty-two years, till his last breath, just like a shadow taking care of him; he was fragile.
He said to his physician, "Take this case in your hands, I will be leaving tomorrow morning, but remain behind until you are finished with the case". The physician looked into the man's eyes and he said, "It will not be long. I will soon catch up with you. His eyes are only covered with a thin layer which can be removed. Within a few weeks, he will be able to see light".
And after six weeks the physician came with the man to another village where Buddha had gone. The man came dancing. He fell unto the feet of Gautama Buddha, and he said, "Just forgive me. I could not believe something which was not my experience; I am not a man of faith. But now that I can see light, a tremendous trust has arisen in me. In your compassion you did not argue about it but simply diagnosed the case and handed me over to the physician".
Faith is for the blind; trust is for someone who has tasted something of the ultimate. The faithful are the followers. I don't want anybody to believe or to have faith. I want you to trust in yourself; that if Gautama Buddha can become an Everest of consciousness, he has proved the point that every human consciousness has the same potential.
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Post by laughter on Mar 16, 2015 14:32:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 15:46:16 GMT -5
It's difficult to identify what is mind playing its old tricks and what is Reality.
Quite often ego will mock that which challenges it.
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Post by laughter on Mar 17, 2015 0:55:36 GMT -5
It's difficult to identify what is mind playing its old tricks and what is Reality. Quite often ego will mock that which challenges it. And who is it that takes themselves seriously? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 3:41:11 GMT -5
I am not going to state matter-of-factly what exactly Self-Realization is, but rather I am going to share my experience, for I feel that experience/Life is the pudding in which proof is manifest. My experience is that SR is not some sort of understanding or knowing sitting in the back of my consciousness. It is much more real and tangible, in an almost physical way. Tolle actually hummed at a certain frequency in an interview trying to describe it. Ramana said that his shaking, and the reason he used a walking stick, was due to the overwhelming power of Self coming through. So the knowing or understanding is a by-product of describing/relating from the perspective of the experience. The knowing isn't intellectual, it's experiential. What is different for me now than before is that there is another entity/presence here that never used to be. As Ramana put it: "Something new shines through." Of course this is simply the Self that had previously gone unnoticed. This presence is here all the time. There is awareness of the continuum of presence. There is a quality of, Ramana described it, "inward awareness." The pull of Reality is so... REAL, that nothing in the realms of thought/physicality attract. Abidance in/as this Reality has resulted in a dramatic and wonderful change in the life of "roy dopson." To put it succinctly, I'm just so f*cking happy all the time! So for me, life has definitely not continued on as it did before, only a little bit better. It's like being in love all the time, with no breaks. It's Nirvana! It's difficult so identify what is mind playing its old tricks and what is Reality. I would suggest that one check understanding/belief against experience as often and as objectively as possible. You may be missing, just slightly. That's absolutely spot on Roy. Something quite tangible seems to come through. And there's more. The world I perceive, the world I create and project from my mind has actually changed. It's very strange. For some time after I "woke up" I noticed that nothing was going wrong. This seemed weird. All my interactions with others were perfect encounters. No problems at all were arising. I remember thinking at the time that this must be a fluke. If I only wait for a while longer, something is bound to go wrong. I'm still waiting. It is quite wondrous. To all the doubters, I can confidently say without any doubt whatsoever that there is only bliss, nothing else. The whole cosmos is made from it. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Mar 17, 2015 4:09:12 GMT -5
I am not going to state matter-of-factly what exactly Self-Realization is, but rather I am going to share my experience, for I feel that experience/Life is the pudding in which proof is manifest. My experience is that SR is not some sort of understanding or knowing sitting in the back of my consciousness. It is much more real and tangible, in an almost physical way. Tolle actually hummed at a certain frequency in an interview trying to describe it. Ramana said that his shaking, and the reason he used a walking stick, was due to the overwhelming power of Self coming through. So the knowing or understanding is a by-product of describing/relating from the perspective of the experience. The knowing isn't intellectual, it's experiential. What is different for me now than before is that there is another entity/presence here that never used to be. As Ramana put it: "Something new shines through." Of course this is simply the Self that had previously gone unnoticed. This presence is here all the time. There is awareness of the continuum of presence. There is a quality of, Ramana described it, "inward awareness." The pull of Reality is so... REAL, that nothing in the realms of thought/physicality attract. Abidance in/as this Reality has resulted in a dramatic and wonderful change in the life of "roy dopson." To put it succinctly, I'm just so f*cking happy all the time! So for me, life has definitely not continued on as it did before, only a little bit better. It's like being in love all the time, with no breaks. It's Nirvana! It's difficult so identify what is mind playing its old tricks and what is Reality. I would suggest that one check understanding/belief against experience as often and as objectively as possible. You may be missing, just slightly. That's absolutely spot on Roy. Something quite tangible seems to come through. And there's more. The world I perceive, the world I create and project from my mind has actually changed. It's very strange. For some time after I "woke up" I noticed that nothing was going wrong. This seemed weird. All my interactions with others were perfect encounters. No problems at all were arising. I remember thinking at the time that this must be a fluke. If I only wait for a while longer, something is bound to go wrong. I'm still waiting. It is quite wondrous. To all the doubters, I can confidently say without any doubt whatsoever that there is only bliss, nothing else. The whole cosmos is made from it. Someone needs to shower, they stink. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 6:20:17 GMT -5
I am not going to state matter-of-factly what exactly Self-Realization is, but rather I am going to share my experience, for I feel that experience/Life is the pudding in which proof is manifest. My experience is that SR is not some sort of understanding or knowing sitting in the back of my consciousness. It is much more real and tangible, in an almost physical way. Tolle actually hummed at a certain frequency in an interview trying to describe it. Ramana said that his shaking, and the reason he used a walking stick, was due to the overwhelming power of Self coming through. So the knowing or understanding is a by-product of describing/relating from the perspective of the experience. The knowing isn't intellectual, it's experiential. What is different for me now than before is that there is another entity/presence here that never used to be. As Ramana put it: "Something new shines through." Of course this is simply the Self that had previously gone unnoticed. This presence is here all the time. There is awareness of the continuum of presence. There is a quality of, Ramana described it, "inward awareness." The pull of Reality is so... REAL, that nothing in the realms of thought/physicality attract. Abidance in/as this Reality has resulted in a dramatic and wonderful change in the life of "roy dopson." To put it succinctly, I'm just so f*cking happy all the time! So for me, life has definitely not continued on as it did before, only a little bit better. It's like being in love all the time, with no breaks. It's Nirvana! It's difficult so identify what is mind playing its old tricks and what is Reality. I would suggest that one check understanding/belief against experience as often and as objectively as possible. You may be missing, just slightly. That's absolutely spot on Roy. Something quite tangible seems to come through. And there's more. The world I perceive, the world I create and project from my mind has actually changed. It's very strange. For some time after I "woke up" I noticed that nothing was going wrong. This seemed weird. All my interactions with others were perfect encounters. No problems at all were arising. I remember thinking at the time that this must be a fluke. If I only wait for a while longer, something is bound to go wrong. I'm still waiting. It is quite wondrous. To all the doubters, I can confidently say without any doubt whatsoever that there is only bliss, nothing else. The whole cosmos is made from it. I know exactly what you're talking about. One day I noticed that I couldn't remember the last time I had a problem or felt any kind of stress or negative emotion. SR has a very real effect on actual life. So grateful!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 10:11:30 GMT -5
That's absolutely spot on Roy. Something quite tangible seems to come through. And there's more. The world I perceive, the world I create and project from my mind has actually changed. It's very strange. For some time after I "woke up" I noticed that nothing was going wrong. This seemed weird. All my interactions with others were perfect encounters. No problems at all were arising. I remember thinking at the time that this must be a fluke. If I only wait for a while longer, something is bound to go wrong. I'm still waiting. It is quite wondrous. To all the doubters, I can confidently say without any doubt whatsoever that there is only bliss, nothing else. The whole cosmos is made from it. Someone needs to shower, they stink. That's a very interesting comment to interject into a conversation two people are having about how effortless and wonderful life is. Please elaborate. What would motivate you to make that comment? |
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Post by laughter on Mar 17, 2015 17:55:52 GMT -5
Someone needs to shower, they stink. That's a very interesting comment to interject into a conversation two people are having about how effortless and wonderful life is. Please elaborate. What would motivate you to make that comment? It's a Zen aphorism. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 19:32:14 GMT -5
That's a very interesting comment to interject into a conversation two people are having about how effortless and wonderful life is. Please elaborate. What would motivate you to make that comment? It's a Zen aphorism. That is not what I asked. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 17, 2015 19:34:37 GMT -5
That is not what I asked. Yes I know that, but the answer to your question is found in the stories that express the aphorism. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 19:38:05 GMT -5
That is not what I asked. Yes I know that, but the answer to your question is found in the stories that express the aphorism. So talking about one's experience, if it's 'positive', is bragging. How ridiculous. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 17, 2015 19:39:55 GMT -5
Yes I know that, but the answer to your question is found in the stories that express the aphorism. How ridiculous. imagine much?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 19:44:56 GMT -5
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