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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:02:24 GMT -5
Leave this place and never come back. Use all of your spare time to watch your mind. Delve deep into the space between thoughts. Follow the teaching of Ramana Maharshi; don't listen to anyone else. Leave this place and never come back. I can't find fault with your advice. But you could just dip in now and again. This forum is really a philosophical discussion group. It's full of mental chatter which has little to do with spirituality and has no great appeal for me. I can't see myself contributing too much. I signed up and totally immersed myself in all the posts for a few days, but it's all pretty pointless because as you know it's the absence of mind that leads to your true nature, not delusional mind games . If everyone understood that it would be a very quiet forum I guess. But if your ego has been bruised a little bit, then as a follower of Ramana you know what he would say. ." Find out to whom the feeling of bruising arises". I wish you well. You have integrity. Hi Sat, yeah, I'm sure Roy was shocked and felt that he was being attacked a little bit. Even though on this forum there is a counter-posing action taking place, at times in a most unpleasant manner, it can't Ultimately be regarded as an unfriendly or hostile reaction, because there are no enemies in here, or anywhere in nature for that matter. There are only friendly forces here on ST. But sometimes members look like enemies for peculiar reasons, one of the main reason being Roys inability to understand the circumstances under which these reactions have been set up. So as you say, Ramana is correct, find out whom and understand the circumstances in which the imagined attack happened.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 10, 2015 12:04:00 GMT -5
Static conceptions of truth are like going to a dance and trying to capture the action with a still camera. You can take a thousand photos, but the photos cannot capture what a dance IS. It takes a video camera to do that.
This is a metaphor for the same kind of issue here. Conceptions of "truth" are like still photos; they're dead. The living truth is what we see when we see the action, and this can only be done non-conceptually. The moment we think a thought, that thought freeze-frames the action and turns it into a false substitute. This is why ZM Seung Sahn used to laughingly say, "As soon as you open your mouth (or engage your intellect), you've already made a mistake." Ha ha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:13:58 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't read Roy as shrinking from criticism. He welcomed/invited it more than once.
IMO, he just feels strongly that mind matters are too seductive and obscure that which is between thoughts, so to speak.
I appreciate the caution and resolve. Heck, nonconceptual awareness -- nuff said.
It's not surprising that a recluse/hermit would advise such a thing. I wish him well.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2015 12:21:16 GMT -5
Okay, I'll try and throw you another pointer: There are people who 1) know that they know 2) don't know that they know 3) know that they don't know 4) don't know that they don't know According to Tzu, oneness means interconnectedness and separate and different are synonyms. Now it's up to you to decide to which category Tzu belongs and if his non-dual advice can be trusted or not. I would say it's pretty obvious. Thankfully oneness is none of that. Just how far down the rabbit hole are you? What?
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Post by Reefs on Mar 10, 2015 12:23:06 GMT -5
Static conceptions of truth are like going to a dance and trying to capture the action with a still camera. You can take a thousand photos, but the photos cannot capture what a dance IS. It takes a video camera to do that. This is a metaphor for the same kind of issue here. Conceptions of "truth" are like still photos; they're dead. The living truth is what we see when we see the action, and this can only be done non-conceptually. The moment we think a thought, that thought freeze-frames the action and turns it into a false substitute. This is why ZM Seung Sahn used to laughingly say, "As soon as you open your mouth (or engage your intellect), you've already made a mistake." Ha ha. Ah, some good old truthin' in the morning...
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Post by figgles on Mar 10, 2015 12:30:56 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't read Roy as shrinking from criticism. He welcomed/invited it more than once. IMO, he just feels strongly that mind matters are too seductive and obscure that which is between thoughts, so to speak. I appreciate the caution and resolve. Heck, nonconceptual awareness -- nuff said. It's not surprising that a recluse/hermit would advise such a thing. I wish him well. Yup, I agree. & His admonishment I also see as one of value. In terms of being 'seductive' in that sense, forum engagement, and the sharing & comparing (not to mention the one-upman-ship that sometimes goes on here) could be said to be like honey to a bee. "Staying away forever", strikes me as overkill, but surely, that seductive quality, and pull to come back again & again, hehe...to talk about that which most of us agree defies words, is good thing to have a look at.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:31:39 GMT -5
Thankfully oneness is none of that. Just how far down the rabbit hole are you? What? I was just being mischievous for no particular reason Oneness is when there is no difference whatsoever between action and inaction.
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Post by andrew on Mar 10, 2015 12:32:27 GMT -5
Static conceptions of truth are like going to a dance and trying to capture the action with a still camera. You can take a thousand photos, but the photos cannot capture what a dance IS. It takes a video camera to do that. This is a metaphor for the same kind of issue here. Conceptions of "truth" are like still photos; they're dead. The living truth is what we see when we see the action, and this can only be done non-conceptually. The moment we think a thought, that thought freeze-frames the action and turns it into a false substitute. This is why ZM Seung Sahn used to laughingly say, "As soon as you open your mouth (or engage your intellect), you've already made a mistake." Ha ha. Might be very wrong, but when Tzu speaks of 'potential', I think he is sort of pointing away, in his own Tzu way, of 'static conceptions of truth'. He is talking about the movement that is Life Life-ing, which is ever-changing. Thing is with Tzu is that he will always challenge non-dual expressions. I would say it's good for the forum overall, but his particular-ness when it comes to language use means he is not an easy man to please lol ::ducks for cover::
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Post by figgles on Mar 10, 2015 12:33:12 GMT -5
What? I was just being mischievous for no particular reason Oneness is when there is no difference whatsoever between action and inaction.ooh..I like that. ...And, you getting mischievous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:34:30 GMT -5
I was just being mischievous for no particular reason Oneness is when there is no difference whatsoever between action and inaction.ooh..I like that. ...And, you getting mischievous. We shouldn't always take ourselves too seriously.
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Post by figgles on Mar 10, 2015 12:38:50 GMT -5
Static conceptions of truth are like going to a dance and trying to capture the action with a still camera. You can take a thousand photos, but the photos cannot capture what a dance IS. It takes a video camera to do that. This is a metaphor for the same kind of issue here. Conceptions of "truth" are like still photos; they're dead. The living truth is what we see when we see the action, and this can only be done non-conceptually. The moment we think a thought, that thought freeze-frames the action and turns it into a false substitute. This is why ZM Seung Sahn used to laughingly say, "As soon as you open your mouth (or engage your intellect), you've already made a mistake." Ha ha. Might be very wrong, but when Tzu speaks of 'potential', I think he is sort of pointing away, in his own Tzu way, of 'static conceptions of truth'. He is talking about the movement that is Life Life-ing, which is ever-changing. Thing is with Tzu is that he will always challenge non-dual expressions. I would say it's good for the forum overall, but his particular-ness when it comes to language use means he is not an easy man to please lol ::ducks for cover:: Yup, it adds balance. A counter to those who may have released one lot of knowledge, only to turn around to take on another. It's an important kind of challenge for those who are in a position of feeling they've got it all sewn up in a nice tidy little package. Forces folks to look at the ideas they're holding to. I've been the beneficiary of his gifts a few times myself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:41:09 GMT -5
I like Tzu's posts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 12:45:14 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't read Roy as shrinking from criticism. He welcomed/invited it more than once. IMO, he just feels strongly that mind matters are too seductive and obscure that which is between thoughts, so to speak. I appreciate the caution and resolve. Heck, nonconceptual awareness -- nuff said. It's not surprising that a recluse/hermit would advise such a thing. I wish him well. Hi max, I think that people on the spiritual path who extricate themselves from society, falsely believe that they have transcended the unpleasant, painful and harassing obstacles that ordinary people usually face in the world. Just because I'm on a spiritual path doesn't mean that the world isn't going to give me a kick once and a while. The question is should I cleanse life's kicks so that they never arise again or should I run back to the sanctity of the mountain or cave? The problem is that the problems don't go away, they will be there waiting for you when you return to the world.
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Post by figgles on Mar 10, 2015 12:51:30 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't read Roy as shrinking from criticism. He welcomed/invited it more than once. IMO, he just feels strongly that mind matters are too seductive and obscure that which is between thoughts, so to speak. I appreciate the caution and resolve. Heck, nonconceptual awareness -- nuff said. It's not surprising that a recluse/hermit would advise such a thing. I wish him well. Hi max, I think that people on the spiritual path who extricate themselves from society, falsely believe that they have transcended the unpleasant, painful and harassing obstacles that ordinary people usually face in the world. Just because I'm on a spiritual path doesn't mean that the world isn't going to give me a kick once and a while. The question is should I cleanse life's kicks so that they never arise again or should I run back to the sanctity of the mountain or cave? The problem is that the problems don't go away, they will be there waiting for you when you return to the world.Agree with all you say there. There is a difference though between purposefully 'extricating' away from society and just having a hermit-like sort of intrinsic nature. Some folks are just wired more to be more introverted or extroverted, and I got the sense that Roy was simply more on the introverted side, naturally. But who knows. All speculation. & He did seem to be taking a pretty hard line regarding the forum. Regardless, you make some really great points there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 13:04:00 GMT -5
I was just looking at Roy's website. It seems there are so many people out there who have some experiences and then suddenly they're on the satsang circuit.
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