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Post by zin on Mar 30, 2015 18:46:38 GMT -5
Third thing (after particularization, and obscurity ideas) is a still water-ness. Sometimes I feel this, it doesn't go away during activity. Then just one thought or impulse 'hits' and a big wave, washing from the beginning to end, occurs. This wave is not an excitement or worry about an event or a memory, it is like a physical thing. It sounds like an energy event, I just don't know how it happens.
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Post by zin on Apr 5, 2015 13:07:45 GMT -5
Fourth entry (btw I know this turns into a journal).. a) 'Everything looks empty' times happen. During walks I see the greenery, flowers, other things and I see there isn't anything behind them, the behind is empty. They *don't* look like ghosts of course, but the impression may well be called as 'appearance'. But when a cat runs towards me and shouts, things change a bit.. I say again: empty - empty - empty.. b) This happens out of the blue: An impulse passes from my throat up to my nose and tears come to my eyes (a little). There is almost no reason; no sorrow or big awe, etc there.. After some time I think about it and ask, what can it be.. It mostly feels like it is related to an opening (of what, I dunno; like of a distant place). c) And this, (a predictable one!) sometimes I walk with a facepalm gesture because I laugh a lot. I can't look at people, they say some things in such situations..
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Post by laughter on Apr 5, 2015 20:06:23 GMT -5
Fourth entry (btw I know this turns into a journal).. a) 'Everything looks empty' times happen. During walks I see the greenery, flowers, other things and I see there isn't anything behind them, the behind is empty. They *don't* look like ghosts of course, but the impression may well be called as 'appearance'. But when a cat runs towards me and shouts, things change a bit.. I say again: empty - empty - empty.. b) This happens out of the blue: An impulse passes from my throat up to my nose and tears come to my eyes (a little). There is almost no reason; no sorrow or big awe, etc there.. After some time I think about it and ask, what can it be.. It mostly feels like it is related to an opening (of what, I dunno; like of a distant place). c) And this, (a predictable one!) sometimes I walk with a facepalm gesture because I laugh a lot. I can't look at people, they say some things in such situations.. (** likes the same post twice **)
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Post by zin on Apr 15, 2015 4:34:51 GMT -5
Fifth. Nowadays I feel like I am made up of two things. I feel both a steady neutral impulse and a mass of heterogeneous energy (maybe?). My intention is not to make a lot of comments here but a distinction appeared in this way. When this 'mass' does not keep me occupied (for example when I don't have strong feelings), I occasionaly come across something like energy-in-the-environment. Maybe not exactly in the environment, I am not sure.
It feels like breathing honey. (I don't know breathing exercises, probably many are familiar with it). I feel its density and its going down through my throat into my lungs etc. And I have a bit of curiosity about what happens to the steady impulse when this bliss like thing occurs. Because I don't feel that impulse (at least clearly) then. But everything is light; not heavy or strong.
The strange thing is I both feel like things/manifestations just happen through me, I am not doing them; and *also* in some way I am being treated like I am someone..
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Post by zin on May 20, 2015 16:54:46 GMT -5
Sixth. (This will contain a few comments, I won't try to keep it as 'only observation' -- since there is very little to say it won't matter I think)
1- After many hot days today was cool and windy and a bit rainy and my walk felt different. While I was watching the tree branches' moving in the wind I realized that this and my taking steps & swinging of my arms were not different... 'Realized' might be a strong word here but it is not totally wrong. Later I thought, applying the definition of 'inner' or 'outer', to what moves limbs or branches, is an overlay. (caveat: I wouldn't wiseacre like that to someone having health problems about movements)
2- Breathing brings in a lot of information. I am not sure about the contents but I am not talking about smells, etc here. Thought: It might be about states of things... Btw I heard that breathing brings energy and probably people know about this info issue, too, but I don't know... I don't have an inquiring attitude, either.
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Post by zin on Jul 13, 2015 19:54:02 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------- 7th. Here I drew a line because this will include more 'mind'.
It's about sitting at the seaside and seagulls. Recently one of them came and sort of 'talked' *a lot*, making a whistle-like sound. I didn't understand whether it was wanting something, I answered saying things like I would bring food the next time (and I did this later). Other than this one, an aggressive one was near, chasing the others. It came towards me and the talking one went away. I remembered some scary bird scenes from movies but I didn't stand up. Instead I said, this is the time to say my customary prayer (it's a 'seaside prayer' : )). It seemed like the bird calmed down (maybe because I myself calmed down). But after the prayer it began to chase others again, and only a quiet one remained, looking at me. A few minutes later a dog came and things changed.
I don't know the language of animals, maybe mystics really know it. There I remembered something from Sufi writings, something like man has every being in himself. I saw that it was possible to feel it about birds, too. ...I wrote this entry because presently the most important thing for me is words' becoming true. It is possible, I am not an authority but it does look so.
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Post by zin on Oct 25, 2015 20:10:36 GMT -5
8th. I recently wrote a saying of Mooji on a thread (about consciousness having some answers in its pocket) and then, at the end of the second Mooji video I happened to watch after that, I came across the same subject in a little different words (its title is "A Handful Will Step Out Of This Samsara Life").. he even made a gesture of looking at his pocket there.. So I think there *is* some responsive-ness around.
Nowadays the important subject is 'wish' for me. Imo it is a borrowed thing, from God.. but not everyone has it.. Again from a thread: "even the rock is waiting for the day when it will feel desire" (H.I.Khan) .. I see that some simple wishes like "I wish to hear those words again" or "I wish I could see that picture/scene" or "I wish I had time to do this or that" can be answered quite quickly.. (there is *no* effort of wanting/manifesting here). But they have to be unrelated to 'worldly gain'. I don't know how to say it correctly.. A wish becoming true is a heartache because then I know space-time-dead-alive do not matter, there aren't limits to 'possible'.. But when I add "but it shouldn't be about worldly things", it looks like la-la-land sayings.
Anyway.. I found this paragraph from H.I.Khan good:
"It must be understood that our higher wish should be apart from what we need in everyday life. We should never mix it, but always think of what we need in everyday life as being something practical, though if it really is our wish, then it is all right. But we should cherish and maintain our higher wish as something sacred, something given to us by God to cherish, to bring to fulfillment. For it is in the fulfillment of one's highest and best and deepest wish that the purpose of life lies."
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Post by laughter on Oct 27, 2015 0:15:48 GMT -5
Sun on the water Look for it on the inside It is always. Here.
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Post by zin on Mar 10, 2016 20:33:33 GMT -5
9th... I think everybody has heard the term 'being aware of being aware' a lot. I never understood it well but still tried it this way or that way from time to time. This entry is about such an attempt: In a book about Gurdjieff I had read an explanation which the writer called self-remembering but as they don't write down how to do it (because they transmit it orally), I didn't believe that it was self-remembering (I still don't). But the 'practice' itself was interesting. It *roughly* said: Observe an object (inner or outer). Observe what observes the object. Drop away the object. What is left is that you are observing what is observing the object. In other words you are aware of being aware... For a few days this came into my mind while walking... I tried it as, look at something/ listen to something/ touch something, etc... and all the while, while listening, along with the listening to sounds of leaves for example, I felt myself listening to it, too. Usually when one hears such a thing one does not do it 'in depth', I mean it stays superficial, or worse, becomes a mind thing... This time I was not too superficial and there was an immediate 'deeping of myself' while paying attention to the outside object (sound). In other words, the act of being aware of being aware of the sound created a second line of attention going toward inwards, like the attention going toward outwards, to the sound. And this brought some joy! Now, I must say that I try such things not for any 'result', it is just that they come into my mind from time to time. Secondly, examples of 'inner objects' may be thoughts and emotions. And lastly, the picture I am putting is a reminder to notice these small and beautiful things around : ) (this was a tablecloth at a cafe).
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Post by laughter on Mar 11, 2016 8:16:39 GMT -5
what where why when how and .. oh! was it always ever so? cut loose the weight and drift away no risk to losing you today ever far but always near an embrace so much more than dear on a sound it comes for free always there for you to see in a touch so light to skin a tumble from the outside in
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 11, 2016 19:49:09 GMT -5
9th... I think everybody has heard the term 'being aware of being aware' a lot. I never understood it well but still tried it this way or that way from time to time. This entry is about such an attempt: In a book about Gurdjieff I had read an explanation which the writer called self-remembering but as they don't write down how to do it (because they transmit it orally), I didn't believe that it was self-remembering (I still don't). But the 'practice' itself was interesting. It *roughly* said: Observe an object (inner or outer). Observe what observes the object. Drop away the object. What is left is that you are observing what is observing the object. In other words you are aware of being aware... For a few days this came into my mind while walking... I tried it as, look at something/ listen to something/ touch something, etc... and all the while, while listening, along with the listening to sounds of leaves for example, I felt myself listening to it, too. Usually when one hears such a thing one does not do it 'in depth', I mean it stays superficial, or worse, becomes a mind thing... This time I was not too superficial and there was an immediate 'deeping of myself' while paying attention to the outside object (sound). In other words, the act of being aware of being aware of the sound created a second line of attention going toward inwards, like the attention going toward outwards, to the sound. And this brought some joy! Now, I must say that I try such things not for any 'result', it is just that they come into my mind from time to time. Secondly, examples of 'inner objects' may be thoughts and emotions. And lastly, the picture I am putting is a reminder to notice these small and beautiful things around : ) (this was a tablecloth at a cafe). zin, a very most excellent post.
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Post by zin on Mar 12, 2016 5:43:59 GMT -5
what where why when how and .. oh! was it always ever so? cut loose the weight and drift away no risk to losing you today ever far but always near an embrace so much more than dear on a sound it comes for free always there for you to see in a touch so light to skin a tumble from the outside in Thank you! I couldn't watch it from that video though, but found the whole movie vid and saw it nevertheless . www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU3AWF7P0Ho#t=4m50s
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Post by zin on Sept 2, 2017 19:56:18 GMT -5
"Your beliefs, then, are like hypnotic focuses. You reinforce them constantly through the normal inner talking in which you all indulge. This inner communication acts like the constant repetition of a hypnotist. In this case, however, you are your own hypnotist. Few people will have simply one main area of concentration. Usually several are involved, but these represent the ways in which you are using your energy."
I think the greatest benefit of Seth material I am reading these days came from the above paragraph, for me. In last years many times I heard about the inner talk's reinforcing the sense of 'me' but it hadn't meant much to me. And now I am still not looking at the issue as a matter of "is there a separate self or not?".. I am just really astonished at the fact that what I almost constantly think throughout a day, days - months - years becomes my identity. (period)
(note: this may have something to do with Gurdjieff's 'chief feature', too)
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Post by enigma on Sept 2, 2017 21:20:35 GMT -5
"Your beliefs, then, are like hypnotic focuses. You reinforce them constantly through the normal inner talking in which you all indulge. This inner communication acts like the constant repetition of a hypnotist. In this case, however, you are your own hypnotist. Few people will have simply one main area of concentration. Usually several are involved, but these represent the ways in which you are using your energy."I think the greatest benefit of Seth material I am reading these days came from the above paragraph, for me. In last years many times I heard about the inner talk's reinforcing the sense of 'me' but it hadn't meant much to me. And now I am still not looking at the issue as a matter of "is there a separate self or not?".. I am just really astonished at the fact that what I almost constantly think throughout a day, days - months - years becomes my identity. (period) (note: this may have something to do with Gurdjieff's 'chief feature', too) As long as you keep telling yourself that, yes. Fun question: How do you know if the talk leads to the sense of 'me', or the sense of 'me' leads to the talk?
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Post by laughter on Sept 3, 2017 2:54:03 GMT -5
"Your beliefs, then, are like hypnotic focuses. You reinforce them constantly through the normal inner talking in which you all indulge. This inner communication acts like the constant repetition of a hypnotist. In this case, however, you are your own hypnotist. Few people will have simply one main area of concentration. Usually several are involved, but these represent the ways in which you are using your energy."I think the greatest benefit of Seth material I am reading these days came from the above paragraph, for me. In last years many times I heard about the inner talk's reinforcing the sense of 'me' but it hadn't meant much to me. And now I am still not looking at the issue as a matter of "is there a separate self or not?".. I am just really astonished at the fact that what I almost constantly think throughout a day, days - months - years becomes my identity. (period) (note: this may have something to do with Gurdjieff's 'chief feature', too) Huh, hadn't read that quote before .. did I ever mention that Jane and I come from the same part of the world? What you're noticing in terms of the content of your mind and your relation to it is what is meant by "discerning the false as false". This is the crux of witnessing, and describes a process of becoming conscious. "Falsity" used in this way doesn't refer to some relative material truth, and if these thoughts are just allowed to come and go, in the witnessing, as they are, then the constant reformation of the sense of identity based in them can be disrupted. This disruption can happen both suddenly and with a major shift in perspective, as well as subtly, in quiet increments over time. There's a corresponding relation to the sense of reality, and how this seems for you in the specifics will be unique to you, although you might find some common ground with others who've written about similar changes.
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