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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 16:59:17 GMT -5
Ummm...tzu, your not paying attention to paying attention, like you said you do. Now pay attention.... look around your flat and see if you can find some real bugs to entertain you. I've got a better idea, let's not play this game.. there's too much of it infesting ST already.. I agree.
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Post by laughter on Mar 21, 2015 17:02:53 GMT -5
You would be amazed at the spontaneous laughter that erupts from this body-mind's daily experiences.. some of which is inspired by those that set their own limitations, such as your belief that something 'can't be grasped'.. i really don't know what can/can't be grasped, so i just pay attention.. (the parasite comment was a humorous interpretation of the 'bug' reference).. Yes, not knowing isn't a problem. It's the minds grasping to know what you don't know that takes you away from paying attention. Something else that took you away from paying attention was imagining parasites and bugs had anything to do with what ZD was talking about. Not knowing, in terms of the certainty of uncertainty, is the classic situation of the sincere seeker. What's amusing to watch is the split-mind simultaneous embrace and denial of this rooted in pride.
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Post by zin on Mar 21, 2015 17:15:20 GMT -5
I am quite ignorant about history. I got interested in it because of an interest in human story. Now I am still at the neolithic era . But yes I agree with the scars issue, and hope the "we (our nation/group/etc) are the rightest one" mentality gets weaker.. For the "world of contrast" and all the emotions through (both small and) big events... I thought about whether there is any goal related to it.. If there is, it must be development of conscience I think - conscience on individual and collective levels. I don't take it as 'regret', or about morality; it is an ability of seeing what to do, not necessarily only between contradictory alternatives but also in emptiness.. ( ok, now that I began to write a story, I might say this may affect galaxies, too ) I really wouldn't worry about affecting galaxies, to get some perspective try this.. (and remember this is only our known...) Thanks! yes I am hopelessly perspectiveless
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 17:48:37 GMT -5
I really wouldn't worry about affecting galaxies, to get some perspective try this.. (and remember this is only our known...) ["https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AoIDsvMmSk"] Thanks! yes I am hopelessly perspectiveless Sweet..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:45:54 GMT -5
(that was just a note, no comment expected). How about some gratitude though? ... it was very very nice to read zindy, so ... thanks. I've found over the past five years that expressing the results of meditation to others is an integral part of what the evil frog calls the informing of mind. I've never read Jed McKenna but Maxy and wren have, and maxy's mentioned that Jed recommends something along the lines of "spiritual autolysis" ... so even when there aren't any specific comments on our journal entries, just the fact of them is part of this process. Those books have a lot to answer for. I can't actually see how I would even be writing in here without them.
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Post by laughter on Mar 21, 2015 19:02:32 GMT -5
How about some gratitude though? ... it was very very nice to read zindy, so ... thanks. I've found over the past five years that expressing the results of meditation to others is an integral part of what the evil frog calls the informing of mind. I've never read Jed McKenna but Maxy and wren have, and maxy's mentioned that Jed recommends something along the lines of "spiritual autolysis" ... so even when there aren't any specific comments on our journal entries, just the fact of them is part of this process. Those books have a lot to answer for. I can't actually see how I would even be writing in here without them. Genuine gratitude appears to be scarce in this world.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 21, 2015 19:03:56 GMT -5
Yes, not knowing isn't a problem. It's the minds grasping to know what you don't know that takes you away from paying attention. Something else that took you away from paying attention was imagining parasites and bugs had anything to do with what ZD was talking about. Not knowing, in terms of the certainty of uncertainty, is the classic situation of the sincere seeker. What's amusing to watch is the split-mind simultaneous embrace and denial of this rooted in pride. You are among the most prideful persons i have ever interacted with, but.. to your credit you embrace it proudly..
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Post by laughter on Mar 21, 2015 19:22:46 GMT -5
Not knowing, in terms of the certainty of uncertainty, is the classic situation of the sincere seeker. What's amusing to watch is the split-mind simultaneous embrace and denial of this rooted in pride. You are among the most prideful persons i have ever interacted with, but.. to your credit you embrace it proudly.. Having seen the view, the path to top of the mountain is of no consequence.. it's the paths that never get there that try to convince you they do..
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 21, 2015 19:38:25 GMT -5
You are among the most prideful persons i have ever interacted with, but.. to your credit you embrace it proudly.. Having seen the view, the path to top of the mountain is of no consequence.. it's the paths that never get there that try to convince you they do.. And, you're so eager to strut your stuff..
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Post by laughter on Mar 21, 2015 20:14:13 GMT -5
And, you're so eager to strut your stuff.. That was so bad it was good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 3:22:18 GMT -5
Those books have a lot to answer for. I can't actually see how I would even be writing in here without them. Genuine gratitude appears to be scarce in this world. It's not always gratitude. But yeah.. there was a lot of sense in his loa writings that rang true when I opened the first one. A close friend was dying and her married initials spelt his name. In fact I nearly offered it to her, as I saw that it was written as a story and I wasn't into that style of writing at the time. The whole, 'who was reading them', was the real book that opened.
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Post by laughter on Mar 22, 2015 13:20:45 GMT -5
Genuine gratitude appears to be scarce in this world. It's not always gratitude. But yeah.. there was a lot of sense in his loa writings that rang true when I opened the first one. A close friend was dying and her married initials spelt his name. In fact I nearly offered it to her, as I saw that it was written as a story and I wasn't into that style of writing at the time. The whole, 'who was reading them', was the real book that opened. About a year after I stumbled onto this I showed a copy of "The Power of Now" to my father-in-law. He's a psychiatrist who was a refugee from North Korea when he was 13, and he's dabbled with Zen in the past. His wife was sitting next to him -- she's also an MD, and they're inseparable -- and he looked at the first page .. "You are Not Your Mind .. hmmmm" (** looking up, mumbling half to himself, light goes off **) "... if I'm not my mind, what am I??" ... then he says something in Korean to his wife, who goes "ooh" and nods (** pushing the book back to me **) "Self-inquiry". Everyone is always sort of figuring out their relationship to how they see the world, but most peeps are doing that unconsciously. Marharshi, Tolle, Jed and other peeps like them just turn on the light, make the process one that's conscious. In reaching down into the core of the Eastern traditions and pulling out the rose from the center, they set it on fire.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 15:15:38 GMT -5
It's not always gratitude. But yeah.. there was a lot of sense in his loa writings that rang true when I opened the first one. A close friend was dying and her married initials spelt his name. In fact I nearly offered it to her, as I saw that it was written as a story and I wasn't into that style of writing at the time. The whole, 'who was reading them', was the real book that opened. About a year after I stumbled onto this I showed a copy of "The Power of Now" to my father-in-law. He's a psychiatrist who was a refugee from North Korea when he was 13, and he's dabbled with Zen in the past. His wife was sitting next to him -- she's also an MD, and they're inseparable -- and he looked at the first page .. "You are Not Your Mind .. hmmmm" (** looking up, mumbling half to himself, light goes off **) "... if I'm not my mind, what am I??" ... then he says something in Korean to his wife, who goes "ooh" and nods (** pushing the book back to me **) "Self-inquiry". Everyone is always sort of figuring out their relationship to how they see the world, but most peeps are doing that unconsciously. Marharshi, Tolle, Jed and other peeps like them just turn on the light, make the process one that's conscious. In reaching down into the core of the Eastern traditions and pulling out the rose from the center, they set it on fire. Cue animated.gif with Rose aflame..? nah, already done that!
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Post by laughter on Mar 22, 2015 15:36:12 GMT -5
About a year after I stumbled onto this I showed a copy of "The Power of Now" to my father-in-law. He's a psychiatrist who was a refugee from North Korea when he was 13, and he's dabbled with Zen in the past. His wife was sitting next to him -- she's also an MD, and they're inseparable -- and he looked at the first page .. "You are Not Your Mind .. hmmmm" (** looking up, mumbling half to himself, light goes off **) "... if I'm not my mind, what am I??" ... then he says something in Korean to his wife, who goes "ooh" and nods (** pushing the book back to me **) "Self-inquiry". Everyone is always sort of figuring out their relationship to how they see the world, but most peeps are doing that unconsciously. Marharshi, Tolle, Jed and other peeps like them just turn on the light, make the process one that's conscious. In reaching down into the core of the Eastern traditions and pulling out the rose from the center, they set it on fire. Cue animated.gif with Rose aflame..? nah, already done that! Sometimes "been there done that" isn't a mindless ESA sleep-walk!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 15:39:44 GMT -5
Cue animated.gif with Rose aflame..? nah, already done that! Sometimes "been there done that" isn't a mindless ESA sleep-walk! And sometimes it isn't.
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