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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 13:20:52 GMT -5
There's something about all this that feels like its on the edge of something big and unsettling,.. Similar to the wall stuff Steve mentioned, if I look at my son's lego,. the experience is not that it's "out there", but that the seeing is happening "in me". Same if I hold a piece of lego tightly, i can only find the sensations inside me. I can't find anything to do with the lego outside of me. And then I go look over at my daughter and she's in me too. The oddness of the feeling of that is beyond the writing of it. Zackly. You're getting a glimpse (at least) of some of the fundamental illusions mind creates about perception, and over time accepts as fact. Our direct experience is not actually showing us an 'out there'.It IS unsettling, but maybe it's a little comfort to know that your daughter is literally in your heart. (Heart of being) enigma, how do you feel about knowing that what you said, sounds like your suffering from hallucination, delusion and mental psychosis, to people? |
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Post by steven on Jan 26, 2015 14:50:40 GMT -5
I dunno man, but I'm working on it, exploring it, playing with it lol I will say that I'm not assuming that the things that can happen in the so called dreaming state cannot also happen in the so called waking state. I suspect it has a lot to do with habitualized belief and a kind of lack of conciousness. For example, when you are not self aware AND vividly aware that you are dreaming, you are also bound by the rules of the dream physics, lost in them so to speak. Its only when you are lucidly aware of self and that you are dreaming, i.e. Lucidly aware of self and the nature of the reality that you find yourself in, that you can suddenly decide to fly or walk through walls in a sleeping dream. On the surface there appears to be a big distinction between the dreaming state and the waking state, they seem fundamentally the same, except that the dreaming state seems to be the exclusively private world of your own personal mindscape, while the waking dream is a shared space, that requires some sort of consensus of agreed upon physics and rules. However, I'm not sure this is he case, as there is really no way to prove that I am not simply a part of your dream lol...or vice versa ;-) It would make sense that in order to turn this waking dream, which seams to be so much more solid and real than the sleeping dream, would require a much more heightened states of alertness, self awareness, and awareness of the nature of this experience than the sleeping dream in order to have the same type of capacity to defy physics that one has in a typical lucid sleeping dream. In short, just as we can rise above a sleeping dream by being self aware and aware of the nature the dream, perhaps, this same is true of this waking manifestation of our conciousness, only, because we seem to get so much more immersed, or absorbed in this dream, it requires proportionately more self awareness and vivid awareness of this state of reality. steve, thanks for your response, much love. Cool Brother....I'll try to edit it and make it a bit more coherent and readable later ;-) Its a fun thing to explore. I've long thought that folks like Jesus and Francis etc, were really charismatic folks, that could work so called miracles presicely because they were charismatic enough to engender a group consensus for the bending of agreed upon rules of physics in this shared dreamscape. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2015 21:35:10 GMT -5
If I can add my 2 cents...T here's a part of your waking mind that continually questions and compares the mental map of 'reality' to what the senses are showing you, and tries to reconcile any errors. That part of the mind is not active in the sleep state, and so pretty much everything goes unquestioned. We could say the unconscious takes over, and it's dynamics are far more spontaneous, imaginative and non-rational. enigma, that seems like a reasonable explanation. So if that part of the mind that is not active in the sleep state, can be made inactive in the waking state, I would be able to fly? No, that inactivity is what allows the sleep state to form. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2015 21:38:13 GMT -5
Zackly. You're getting a glimpse (at least) of some of the fundamental illusions mind creates about perception, and over time accepts as fact. Our direct experience is not actually showing us an 'out there'.It IS unsettling, but maybe it's a little comfort to know that your daughter is literally in your heart. (Heart of being) enigma, how do you feel about knowing that what you said, sounds like your suffering from hallucination, delusion and mental psychosis, to people? Well, I'm a little selective about who I talk to about that sort of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:58:47 GMT -5
enigma, how do you feel about knowing that what you said, sounds like your suffering from hallucination, delusion and mental psychosis, to people? Well, I'm a little selective about who I talk to about that sort of thing. enigma, if your committed to the truth, or rather what is not true, why do you keep your philosophy to a select few? Especially when it's the non selective who have it wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 0:25:56 GMT -5
enigma, that seems like a reasonable explanation. So if that part of the mind that is not active in the sleep state, can be made inactive in the waking state, I would be able to fly? No, that inactivity is what allows the sleep state to form. enigma, I was thinking more about people who's brain function in the waking state has become inactive, do to a brain injury, drugs or mental psychosis. And because of that inactivity there results a cosmic consciousness experience. But I don't know if anyone having that experience has ever reported the ability to fly. |
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Post by earnest on Jan 27, 2015 1:22:51 GMT -5
There's something about all this that feels like its on the edge of something big and unsettling,.. Similar to the wall stuff Steve mentioned, if I look at my son's lego,. the experience is not that it's "out there", but that the seeing is happening "in me". Same if I hold a piece of lego tightly, i can only find the sensations inside me. I can't find anything to do with the lego outside of me. And then I go look over at my daughter and she's in me too. The oddness of the feeling of that is beyond the writing of it. Zackly. You're getting a glimpse (at least) of some of the fundamental illusions mind creates about perception, and over time accepts as fact. Our direct experience is not actually showing us an 'out there'. It IS unsettling, but maybe it's a little comfort to know that your daughter is literally in your heart. (Heart of being) Yeah cool,. but then it's not just her in there!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 5:45:22 GMT -5
Zackly. You're getting a glimpse (at least) of some of the fundamental illusions mind creates about perception, and over time accepts as fact. Our direct experience is not actually showing us an 'out there'. It IS unsettling, but maybe it's a little comfort to know that your daughter is literally in your heart. (Heart of being) Yeah cool,. but then it's not just her in there! I'm in here as well. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 27, 2015 7:22:52 GMT -5
enigma, how do you feel about knowing that what you said, sounds like your suffering from hallucination, delusion and mental psychosis, to people? Well, I'm a little selective about who I talk to about that sort of thing.  d@mn! where's the love??  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2015 9:08:39 GMT -5
Well, I'm a little selective about who I talk to about that sort of thing. enigma, if your committed to the truth, or rather what is not true, why do you keep your philosophy to a select few? Especially when it's the non selective who have it wrong? I don't have an agenda. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2015 9:13:23 GMT -5
No, that inactivity is what allows the sleep state to form. enigma, I was thinking more about people who's brain function in the waking state has become inactive, do to a brain injury, drugs or mental psychosis. And because of that inactivity there results a cosmic consciousness experience. But I don't know if anyone having that experience has ever reported the ability to fly. The sleep state is not an inactive brain or a 'no mind' state. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2015 9:15:39 GMT -5
Zackly. You're getting a glimpse (at least) of some of the fundamental illusions mind creates about perception, and over time accepts as fact. Our direct experience is not actually showing us an 'out there'. It IS unsettling, but maybe it's a little comfort to know that your daughter is literally in your heart. (Heart of being) Yeah cool,. but then it's not just her in there! Dat's right.  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2015 9:16:37 GMT -5
Yeah cool,. but then it's not just her in there! I'm in here as well. Now THAT'S unsettling. Hehe |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 9:17:07 GMT -5
enigma, if your committed to the truth, or rather what is not true, why do you keep your philosophy to a select few? Especially when it's the non selective who have it wrong? I don't have an agenda. no agenda? no model? no word lawyers? next you'll be telling us you don't have a crusadaganza...  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2015 10:18:00 GMT -5
no agenda? no model? no word lawyers? next you'll be telling us you don't have a crusadaganza... No, I'm not into Mexican food so much. |
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