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Post by zendancer on Jan 19, 2015 9:32:20 GMT -5
I think that this lady's experience was once discussed on the forum, but I couldn't remember if a link was provided to her presentation at the TED symposium. If it was, then I'll delete the thread. If it wasn't, then I think many folks here will find her presentation interesting. Unfortunately, she doesn't explain very well how to purposely access the right hemisphere of the brain in the way that it was accessed during her stroke. I resonated with her description of what it was like to lose contact with the left side of the brain, because this is similar (but not exactly the same) as what happens during a CC experience. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight
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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2015 10:07:30 GMT -5
I think that this lady's experience was once discussed on the forum, but I couldn't remember if a link was provided to her presentation at the TED symposium. If it was, then I'll delete the thread. If it wasn't, then I think many folks here will find her presentation interesting. Unfortunately, she doesn't explain very well how to purposely access the right hemisphere of the brain in the way that it was accessed during her stroke. I resonated with her description of what it was like to lose contact with the left side of the brain, because this is similar (but not exactly the same) as what happens during a CC experience. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight Yes, ZD, the link is somewhere on this forum but probably buried way back. Her book is fascinating (My Stroke of Insight). I also experienced this, but for a very short time. I often thought about this book as my mother was losing her memory and things were shutting down in her body. As her thoughts dwindled, something very loving and direct came more and more to the surface.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 19, 2015 14:01:18 GMT -5
I just watched the Ted talk. I read Jill Bolte Taylor's book when it first came out, but I've never heard her speak. The talk was absolutely fascinating (as is the book). I have already discussed on another thread (just posted to again) the fact that I consider it to be the case that practices of the ATA-MT type and Tzu's still mind, access the right hemisphere of the brain. Jill gives a rare view of how the right brain experiences the world........and what it's like to shift from right to left and back again.
I think viewing the video will help clear up much of what zd writes about.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 19, 2015 14:22:15 GMT -5
I just watched the Ted talk. I read Jill Bolte Taylor's book when it first came out, but I've never heard her speak. The talk was absolutely fascinating (as is the book). I have already discussed on another thread (just posted to again) the fact that I consider it to be the case that practices of the ATA-MT type and Tzu's still mind, access the right hemisphere of the brain. Jill gives a rare view of how the right brain experiences the world........and what it's like to shift from right to left and back again. I think viewing the video will help clear up much of what zd writes about. Yes, I think by doing ATA-MT one is temporarily shifting away from left-brain activity to the kind of holistic perceptivity that is the purview of the right-brain. Her discussion of the body's energy field and its unity with the cosmos was particularly interesting. I'm relatively sure that CC experiences involve some sort of shift from left brain to right brain consciousness because it feels sorta like a switch has been flipped when it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:28:09 GMT -5
I think that this lady's experience was once discussed on the forum, but I couldn't remember if a link was provided to her presentation at the TED symposium. If it was, then I'll delete the thread. If it wasn't, then I think many folks here will find her presentation interesting. Unfortunately, she doesn't explain very well how to purposely access the right hemisphere of the brain in the way that it was accessed during her stroke. I resonated with her description of what it was like to lose contact with the left side of the brain, because this is similar (but not exactly the same) as what happens during a CC experience. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight Hello zendancer, thank you for the video, I found it very interesting. It seems like the prognosis for a spiritual seeker like myself experiencing God doesn't look very promising. Especially when the available choices are a brain injury, the use of drugs, or at the very least some kind of mental pyhcoses. It's like the line between spirituality and mental illness is indeed a fine one.
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Post by relinquish on Jan 19, 2015 15:51:56 GMT -5
I think that this lady's experience was once discussed on the forum, but I couldn't remember if a link was provided to her presentation at the TED symposium. If it was, then I'll delete the thread. If it wasn't, then I think many folks here will find her presentation interesting. Unfortunately, she doesn't explain very well how to purposely access the right hemisphere of the brain in the way that it was accessed during her stroke. I resonated with her description of what it was like to lose contact with the left side of the brain, because this is similar (but not exactly the same) as what happens during a CC experience. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight Hello zendancer, thank you for the video, I found it very interesting. It seems like the prognosis for a spiritual seeker like myself experiencing God doesn't look very promising. Especially when the available choices are a brain injury, the use of drugs, or at the very least some kind of mental pyhcoses. It's like the line between spirituality and mental illness is indeed a fine one. That may be so, to a point, but they are certainly not the only available choices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 16:08:08 GMT -5
Hello zendancer, thank you for the video, I found it very interesting. It seems like the prognosis for a spiritual seeker like myself experiencing God doesn't look very promising. Especially when the available choices are a brain injury, the use of drugs, or at the very least some kind of mental pyhcoses. It's like the line between spirituality and mental illness is indeed a fine one. That may be so, to a point, but they are certainly not the only available choices. Hi relinquish, that's definitely good news.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 19, 2015 17:26:44 GMT -5
I think that this lady's experience was once discussed on the forum, but I couldn't remember if a link was provided to her presentation at the TED symposium. If it was, then I'll delete the thread. If it wasn't, then I think many folks here will find her presentation interesting. Unfortunately, she doesn't explain very well how to purposely access the right hemisphere of the brain in the way that it was accessed during her stroke. I resonated with her description of what it was like to lose contact with the left side of the brain, because this is similar (but not exactly the same) as what happens during a CC experience. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight Hello zendancer, thank you for the video, I found it very interesting. It seems like the prognosis for a spiritual seeker like myself experiencing God doesn't look very promising. Especially when the available choices are a brain injury, the use of drugs, or at the very least some kind of mental pyhcoses. It's like the line between spirituality and mental illness is indeed a fine one. Source: I think the prognosis is much better than you think, and I also think that the line between mental illness and unity of mind and body is not fine at all. Mental illness involves a disintegration of mental functioning whereas Self-realization and unity consciousness involves an integrative process that leads, if anything, to higher order mental functioning. I call it "higher" because it is centered in the present moment, free flowing, highly creative, and carries no baggage from the past. I've already cited Gary Weber's book and website elsewhere, as well as his conclusions based upon recent brain mapping. He concluded, based on his research and personal experiences, that regularly shifting attention away from thoughts, via various meditative activities, to direct sensory perception changes the way the brain functions. Those kinds of activities can eventually result in a cessation of the internal dialogue as well as a collapse of self-referential thinking processes. As noted in an above post, what's probably happening when one pursues ATA-MT is a shift from left-brain consciousness to right-brain consciousness. This regular shifting can eventually change overall brain functioning and lead to freedom from the dominance of mind. I think that the interaction between the two hemispheres of the brain is far more complicated than is indicated in the video, but the gist of what she describes seems reasonable. When a cosmic consciousness experience occurs, it sorta feels as if a switch in the brain has been flipped, and the whole universe is seen in a different way--as if from the inside rather than the outside. Rather than a place full of dead things filling time and space, it suddenly springs to life After watching the video I had some thoughts about the realization issue as well. What I call body-knowledge and body-consciousness is probably centered in the right hemisphere, and when an existential question is contemplated, the brain finds the "answer" by accessing what the right hemisphere already knows. The right side of the brain is unified with the cosmos through the energy field of the body while the left side of the brain only deals with abstractions ABOUT the cosmos. When we say that a realization "informs mind," what's probably happening is that the left side of the brain is becoming informed by what the right side of the brain has revealed. This is pure speculation, but the video certainly points to something analogous to this. This woman's case was interesting because consciousness from her POV seemed to flip back and forth between the two sides of the brain as the stroke progressed, and this allowed her to see the world from two radically different perspectives and also allowed her to differentiate the difference between those two perspectives. Her description of what is was like when the left side of her brain shut down and only the right side was functional is an almost perfect description of what a cosmic consciousness experience feels like. The goal of becoming free of the mind is not the same as the goal of remaining in a permanently cosmic state of mind; it is to find a way to let the mind function freely without the hindrance of conditioned thought processes while retaining full access to the intellect. The first state is temporary. The second state, which is not really a state, is what we already are when the illusion of selfhood is seen through.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 21:19:27 GMT -5
Hello zendancer, thank you for the video, I found it very interesting. It seems like the prognosis for a spiritual seeker like myself experiencing God doesn't look very promising. Especially when the available choices are a brain injury, the use of drugs, or at the very least some kind of mental pyhcoses. It's like the line between spirituality and mental illness is indeed a fine one. Source: I think the prognosis is much better than you think, and I also think that the line between mental illness and unity of mind and body is not fine at all. Mental illness involves a disintegration of mental functioning whereas Self-realization and unity consciousness involves an integrative process that leads, if anything, to higher order mental functioning. I call it "higher" because it is centered in the present moment, free flowing, highly creative, and carries no baggage from the past. I've already cited Gary Weber's book and website elsewhere, as well as his conclusions based upon recent brain mapping. He concluded, based on his research and personal experiences, that regularly shifting attention away from thoughts, via various meditative activities, to direct sensory perception changes the way the brain functions. Those kinds of activities can eventually result in a cessation of the internal dialogue as well as a collapse of self-referential thinking processes. As noted in an above post, what's probably happening when one pursues ATA-MT is a shift from left-brain consciousness to right-brain consciousness. This regular shifting can eventually change overall brain functioning and lead to freedom from the dominance of mind. I think that the interaction between the two hemispheres of the brain is far more complicated than is indicated in the video, but the gist of what she describes seems reasonable. When a cosmic consciousness experience occurs, it sorta feels as if a switch in the brain has been flipped, and the whole universe is seen in a different way--as if from the inside rather than the outside. Rather than a place full of dead things filling time and space, it suddenly springs to life After watching the video I had some thoughts about the realization issue as well. What I call body-knowledge and body-consciousness is probably centered in the right hemisphere, and when an existential question is contemplated, the brain finds the "answer" by accessing what the right hemisphere already knows. The right side of the brain is unified with the cosmos through the energy field of the body while the left side of the brain only deals with abstractions ABOUT the cosmos. When we say that a realization "informs mind," what's probably happening is that the left side of the brain is becoming informed by what the right side of the brain has revealed. This is pure speculation, but the video certainly points to something analogous to this. This woman's case was interesting because consciousness from her POV seemed to flip back and forth between the two sides of the brain as the stroke progressed, and this allowed her to see the world from two radically different perspectives and also allowed her to differentiate the difference between those two perspectives. Her description of what is was like when the left side of her brain shut down and only the right side was functional is an almost perfect description of what a cosmic consciousness experience feels like. The goal of becoming free of the mind is not the same as the goal of remaining in a permanently cosmic state of mind; it is to find a way to let the mind function freely without the hindrance of conditioned thought processes while retaining full access to the intellect. The first state is temporary. The second state, which is not really a state, is what we already are when the illusion of selfhood is seen through. zendancer, thank you for your response. It's a little bit overwhelming for me to take in so I'll probably be pondering your ideas for a couple of days. One thing that I did want to clarify with you is if we are on the same page when talking about mental psychoses. By definition it refers to the process or involvement of the loss of contact with reality, as far as reality is normally defined. So any process such as integration or spirituality for that matter, that involves the loss of contact with what is normally defined as reality is what I mean by mental psychoses. I'm using mental psychoses in a positive context here rather than a negative one because the way we normally define and think about reality is in my opinion erroneous. So any loss with the contact of what we erroneously define as reality is not actually a loss but a good thing.
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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2015 5:57:50 GMT -5
Hello zendancer, thank you for the video, I found it very interesting. It seems like the prognosis for a spiritual seeker like myself experiencing God doesn't look very promising. Especially when the available choices are a brain injury, the use of drugs, or at the very least some kind of mental pyhcoses. It's like the line between spirituality and mental illness is indeed a fine one. Source: I think the prognosis is much better than you think, and I also think that the line between mental illness and unity of mind and body is not fine at all. Mental illness involves a disintegration of mental functioning whereas Self-realization and unity consciousness involves an integrative process that leads, if anything, to higher order mental functioning. I call it "higher" because it is centered in the present moment, free flowing, highly creative, and carries no baggage from the past. I've already cited Gary Weber's book and website elsewhere, as well as his conclusions based upon recent brain mapping. He concluded, based on his research and personal experiences, that regularly shifting attention away from thoughts, via various meditative activities, to direct sensory perception changes the way the brain functions. Those kinds of activities can eventually result in a cessation of the internal dialogue as well as a collapse of self-referential thinking processes. As noted in an above post, what's probably happening when one pursues ATA-MT is a shift from left-brain consciousness to right-brain consciousness. This regular shifting can eventually change overall brain functioning and lead to freedom from the dominance of mind. I think that the interaction between the two hemispheres of the brain is far more complicated than is indicated in the video, but the gist of what she describes seems reasonable. When a cosmic consciousness experience occurs, it sorta feels as if a switch in the brain has been flipped, and the whole universe is seen in a different way--as if from the inside rather than the outside. Rather than a place full of dead things filling time and space, it suddenly springs to life After watching the video I had some thoughts about the realization issue as well. What I call body-knowledge and body-consciousness is probably centered in the right hemisphere, and when an existential question is contemplated, the brain finds the "answer" by accessing what the right hemisphere already knows. The right side of the brain is unified with the cosmos through the energy field of the body while the left side of the brain only deals with abstractions ABOUT the cosmos. When we say that a realization "informs mind," what's probably happening is that the left side of the brain is becoming informed by what the right side of the brain has revealed. This is pure speculation, but the video certainly points to something analogous to this. This woman's case was interesting because consciousness from her POV seemed to flip back and forth between the two sides of the brain as the stroke progressed, and this allowed her to see the world from two radically different perspectives and also allowed her to differentiate the difference between those two perspectives. Her description of what is was like when the left side of her brain shut down and only the right side was functional is an almost perfect description of what a cosmic consciousness experience feels like. The goal of becoming free of the mind is not the same as the goal of remaining in a permanently cosmic state of mind; it is to find a way to let the mind function freely without the hindrance of conditioned thought processes while retaining full access to the intellect. The first state is temporary. The second state, which is not really a state, is what we already are when the illusion of selfhood is seen through. As the intellect is conditioning, isn't it specific conditioning that's at issue? If you think back to when the phone rang, were you afraid? -- the description of the experience as I recall suggested shock and surprise but no panic. How would the subsequent process of integration differed otherwise?
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Post by zendancer on Jan 20, 2015 8:12:09 GMT -5
Source: I think the prognosis is much better than you think, and I also think that the line between mental illness and unity of mind and body is not fine at all. Mental illness involves a disintegration of mental functioning whereas Self-realization and unity consciousness involves an integrative process that leads, if anything, to higher order mental functioning. I call it "higher" because it is centered in the present moment, free flowing, highly creative, and carries no baggage from the past. I've already cited Gary Weber's book and website elsewhere, as well as his conclusions based upon recent brain mapping. He concluded, based on his research and personal experiences, that regularly shifting attention away from thoughts, via various meditative activities, to direct sensory perception changes the way the brain functions. Those kinds of activities can eventually result in a cessation of the internal dialogue as well as a collapse of self-referential thinking processes. As noted in an above post, what's probably happening when one pursues ATA-MT is a shift from left-brain consciousness to right-brain consciousness. This regular shifting can eventually change overall brain functioning and lead to freedom from the dominance of mind. I think that the interaction between the two hemispheres of the brain is far more complicated than is indicated in the video, but the gist of what she describes seems reasonable. When a cosmic consciousness experience occurs, it sorta feels as if a switch in the brain has been flipped, and the whole universe is seen in a different way--as if from the inside rather than the outside. Rather than a place full of dead things filling time and space, it suddenly springs to life After watching the video I had some thoughts about the realization issue as well. What I call body-knowledge and body-consciousness is probably centered in the right hemisphere, and when an existential question is contemplated, the brain finds the "answer" by accessing what the right hemisphere already knows. The right side of the brain is unified with the cosmos through the energy field of the body while the left side of the brain only deals with abstractions ABOUT the cosmos. When we say that a realization "informs mind," what's probably happening is that the left side of the brain is becoming informed by what the right side of the brain has revealed. This is pure speculation, but the video certainly points to something analogous to this. This woman's case was interesting because consciousness from her POV seemed to flip back and forth between the two sides of the brain as the stroke progressed, and this allowed her to see the world from two radically different perspectives and also allowed her to differentiate the difference between those two perspectives. Her description of what is was like when the left side of her brain shut down and only the right side was functional is an almost perfect description of what a cosmic consciousness experience feels like. The goal of becoming free of the mind is not the same as the goal of remaining in a permanently cosmic state of mind; it is to find a way to let the mind function freely without the hindrance of conditioned thought processes while retaining full access to the intellect. The first state is temporary. The second state, which is not really a state, is what we already are when the illusion of selfhood is seen through. zendancer, thank you for your response. It's a little bit overwhelming for me to take in so I'll probably be pondering your ideas for a couple of days. One thing that I did want to clarify with you is if we are on the same page when talking about mental psychoses. By definition it refers to the process or involvement of the loss of contact with reality, as far as reality is normally defined. So any process such as integration or spirituality for that matter, that involves the loss of contact with what is normally defined as reality is what I mean by mental psychoses. I'm using mental psychoses in a positive context here rather than a negative one because the way we normally define and think about reality is in my opinion erroneous. So any loss with the contact of what we erroneously define as reality is not actually a loss but a good thing. Source: This issue was covered in a past post, and I don't want to repeat it here. I'll send you a PM later today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 12:55:50 GMT -5
I enjoyed this little talk about warriors.. scouts.. motivated reasoning, and yearning she has a longer one about the straw vulcan, which I haven't finished watching yet.. but the concept of a straw spock is kinda cool
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