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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2015 0:53:10 GMT -5
dats just your beliefs shining through my friend. I like the confrontational nature of this place and appreciate the time and effort people put into it. I liken it to having these dudes hanging around. I would call myself a sincere seeker, earnest even, and I feel completely at home here. Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. I'm not sure where you see confrontation at the expense of those who are not confrontational. Are you referring to yourself? In any event, confrontation/discussion, argumentation is not somehow at odds with oneness. This seems to be more of your misunderstanding. I would say that speaking clearly and bluntly, and airing differences, is potentially useful for revealing clarity, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 4:56:11 GMT -5
dats just your beliefs shining through my friend. I like the confrontational nature of this place and appreciate the time and effort people put into it. I liken it to having these dudes hanging around. I would call myself a sincere seeker, earnest even, and I feel completely at home here. Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. Why do you like the confrontational nature of this place? Are you confrontational? Do you believe that confrontation is useful for revealing clarity? Which word stood out most to you in Earnest's post?
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2015 6:16:45 GMT -5
Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. Why do you like the confrontational nature of this place? Are you confrontational? Do you believe that confrontation is useful for revealing clarity? Which word stood out most to you in Earnest's post? The words that stand out are: "Confrontation, I, time, like", all of which are contradicted by a belief in oneness/nonduality..
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Post by earnest on Jan 23, 2015 6:21:54 GMT -5
Which word stood out most to you in Earnest's post? The words that stand out are: "Confrontation, I, time, like", all of which are contradicted by a belief in oneness/nonduality.. I'll reply more comprehensively tomorrow, but I don't *believe* in nonduality...
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2015 6:23:27 GMT -5
Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. I'm not sure where you see confrontation at the expense of those who are not confrontational. Are you referring to yourself? In any event, confrontation/discussion, argumentation is not somehow at odds with oneness. This seems to be more of your misunderstanding. I would say that speaking clearly and bluntly, and airing differences, is potentially useful for revealing clarity, yes. Who are you confronting, if there's only oneness?.. what is there to confront if nonduality is the case?.. you deny volition and separation, yet argue as if those are the case, as if the experiencers would choose a fundamentally different understanding based on 'your' differing belief confronting them..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 7:17:17 GMT -5
Which word stood out most to you in Earnest's post? The words that stand out are: "Confrontation, I, time, like", all of which are contradicted by a belief in oneness/nonduality.. Ok, if you're interested, which I can easily perceive that you're not, the word 'home' has the frequency and tone in it that more exemplifies, and represents his heart.
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2015 9:55:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure where you see confrontation at the expense of those who are not confrontational. Are you referring to yourself? In any event, confrontation/discussion, argumentation is not somehow at odds with oneness. This seems to be more of your misunderstanding. I would say that speaking clearly and bluntly, and airing differences, is potentially useful for revealing clarity, yes. Who are you confronting, if there's only oneness?.. what is there to confront if nonduality is the case?.. you deny volition and separation, yet argue as if those are the case, as if the experiencers would choose a fundamentally different understanding based on 'your' differing belief confronting them.. The conceptual understanding of oneness and non-volition are not that difficult, and have been described to you repeatedly for years. Again, you're free to disagree, but your questions indicate that you don't understand. And yet you say that you studied nonduality. How is that possible?
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Post by freejoy on Jan 23, 2015 17:45:29 GMT -5
Well the thing about intuition is that life is dynamic and constantly changing and things that are true today may not be tomorrow. At the time i was on a transit bus going to work. It wasn't anything major everything felt okay then really okay, and everyone on the bus okay. Then i just felt i was where i was suppose to be, doing what i was suppose do, i just felt like my consciousness might have went up a couple clicks ...at the time anyway. It's hard to explan actually. Just better. I'm not sure if "suppose" is the best word. So it wasn't tied to any particular doing then? Just a feeling of "ok-ness" ... or perhaps, the absence of a feeling that you should be doing something? Perhaps the absence of questioning whether you were on a path to enlightenment? I think there are probably enlightened all over including here. Although I'm sure some are fooling themselves. Just notice when someone makes eye contact, especially if they don't want anything from you in that instant. Not sure really if it was tied to anything. These things are almost dream like in that like a dream the memory of them fade some. I mostly remember the feeling of there being meaning to my life although i don't know what meaning then or now. I like what you say about noticing the eye contacts. Thanks
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Post by earnest on Jan 23, 2015 18:10:51 GMT -5
Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. remember when I posted about falling asleep and puking in my mouth at the same time? (I'm doing that now ...) You seem unnecessarily obsessed with nonduality and oneness. Why do you like the confrontational nature of this place? Are you confrontational? Do you believe that confrontation is useful for revealing clarity? I dunno with you,.. I feel like your questions are just the endless handing out of tar babies. I'm into what you say you're into - looking with a still mind. I'm not desperate for nonduality to provide me with some kind of "super-duper perfect now I've finally got the answer" system of beliefs - no system has the perfect answer,. even I know that. And as to a bit of confrontation now and then? I've got no answer for you. What do you want? Everyone to say "Yes Tzu,. you are actually right 100% all the time, we are not, you win". edit : Here's a new painting for your wall.
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2015 19:51:35 GMT -5
So it wasn't tied to any particular doing then? Just a feeling of "ok-ness" ... or perhaps, the absence of a feeling that you should be doing something? Perhaps the absence of questioning whether you were on a path to enlightenment? Just notice when someone makes eye contact, especially if they don't want anything from you in that instant. Not sure really if it was tied to anything. These things are almost dream like in that like a dream the memory of them fade some. I mostly remember the feeling of there being meaning to my life although i don't know what meaning then or now. I like what you say about noticing the eye contacts. Thanks there is a lightness you can feel if to your mind you cut the reel in eyes of other you can know a stillness that can never bow just let the movement spin in time leave meaning there to be in rhyme the rythm of the life is here an irony that we hold dear
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2015 19:58:16 GMT -5
The words that stand out are: "Confrontation, I, time, like", all of which are contradicted by a belief in oneness/nonduality.. Ok, if you're interested, which I can easily perceive that you're not, the word 'home' has the frequency and tone in it that more exemplifies, and represents his heart. That's interesting.. that you choose to speak for others, for me and my interest, and for Earnest's heart.. you didn't ask about 'frequency and tone', if you were interested how i would answer that question, you could have simply asked..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2015 21:00:07 GMT -5
Who are you confronting, if there's only oneness?.. what is there to confront if nonduality is the case?.. you deny volition and separation, yet argue as if those are the case, as if the experiencers would choose a fundamentally different understanding based on 'your' differing belief confronting them.. The conceptual understanding of oneness and non-volition are not that difficult, and have been described to you repeatedly for years. Again, you're free to disagree, but your questions indicate that you don't understand. And yet you say that you studied nonduality. How is that possible? No, my questions don't agree with 'your' understanding, that's how it's possible.. you've limited your understandings and want other's to, too.. my study of oneness and nonduality didn't get attached to those descriptions, it integrated with what is actually happening, hence the 'both/and' clarity.. let go, set yourself free..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 23, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -5
Do you believe that confrontation at the expense of those not confrontational reveals a holistic understanding of what is called nonduality/oneness?.. remember when I posted about falling asleep and puking in my mouth at the same time? (I'm doing that now ...) You seem unnecessarily obsessed with nonduality and oneness. Why do you like the confrontational nature of this place? Are you confrontational? Do you believe that confrontation is useful for revealing clarity? I dunno with you,.. I feel like your questions are just the endless handing out of tar babies. I'm into what you say you're into - looking with a still mind. I'm not desperate for nonduality to provide me with some kind of "super-duper perfect now I've finally got the answer" system of beliefs - no system has the perfect answer,. even I know that. And as to a bit of confrontation now and then? I've got no answer for you. What do you want? Everyone to say "Yes Tzu,. you are actually right 100% all the time, we are not, you win". edit : Here's a new painting for your wall. Clarity... all else flows from that.. Thanks for the painting... but, your image of Tzu is not accurate..
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2015 2:32:38 GMT -5
The conceptual understanding of oneness and non-volition are not that difficult, and have been described to you repeatedly for years. Again, you're free to disagree, but your questions indicate that you don't understand. And yet you say that you studied nonduality. How is that possible? No, my questions don't agree with 'your' understanding, that's how it's possible.. you've limited your understandings and want other's to, too.. my study of oneness and nonduality didn't get attached to those descriptions, it integrated with what is actually happening, hence the 'both/and' clarity.. let go, set yourself free.. You imagine that I'm contradicting myself, and you attempt to point out those contradictions to me. They only appear to you like contradictions because you don't understand the concepts of oneness and non-volition. They certainly don't appear as contradictions to me because I don't misunderstand the concepts as you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 3:24:26 GMT -5
Ok, if you're interested, which I can easily perceive that you're not, the word 'home' has the frequency and tone in it that more exemplifies, and represents his heart. That's interesting.. that you choose to speak for others, for me and my interest, and for Earnest's heart.. you didn't ask about 'frequency and tone', if you were interested how i would answer that question, you could have simply asked..Thanx
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