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Post by laughter on Oct 19, 2014 12:27:27 GMT -5
If only there were someone in his life pointing to that sooner, it might have saved him years. Saved? I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... who told ya' that??
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Post by silver on Oct 19, 2014 12:31:34 GMT -5
Saved? I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... who told ya' that?? I'm sure you've said it -- like I said, I forget the wording -- something like wherever you are, there you are - see? I can't remember how it goes, cr*p! I found it: Wherever you go, there you are.
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Post by laughter on Oct 19, 2014 12:40:45 GMT -5
who told ya' that?? I'm sure you've said it -- like I said, I forget the wording -- something like wherever you are, there you are - see? I can't remember how it goes, cr*p! Yes, that's it, exactly ... how'dya get from that to "a person is cool where they are"??
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Post by silver on Oct 19, 2014 12:43:59 GMT -5
I'm sure you've said it -- like I said, I forget the wording -- something like wherever you are, there you are - see? I can't remember how it goes, cr*p! Yes, that's it, exactly ... how'dya get from that to "a person is cool where they are"?? I don't see anything wrong with that particular interpretation, tbh. Why say it, if it isn't cool -- which to me, means exactly what it says -- isn't it all about acceptance of where someone 'is'?
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Post by laughter on Oct 19, 2014 12:54:07 GMT -5
Yes, that's it, exactly ... how'dya get from that to "a person is cool where they are"?? I don't see anything wrong with that particular interpretation, tbh. Why say it, if it isn't cool -- which to me, means exactly what it says -- isn't it all about acceptance of where someone 'is'? "Wherever you go, there you are" isn't a suggestion to take yourself to be a person separate from everything you're not, so that in whatever location or whatever state you find yourself to be, well, that's just fine and dandy. If someone takes themselves to be a separate person and is suffering, that will likely spark their interest in spirituality to begin with. "Wherever you go, there you are" is meant to bring to the attention of the listener the idea that they can't outrun themselves, or even, their life situation. It's a call to stop looking to the future, the past or some other place or situation for inner peace. Taking oneself to be a separate person is a prerequisite to suffering. The good news is that if this is what one takes themselves to be, there's lots of stuff they can do, and lots of effort they can make.
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Post by silver on Oct 19, 2014 13:02:43 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with that particular interpretation, tbh. Why say it, if it isn't cool -- which to me, means exactly what it says -- isn't it all about acceptance of where someone 'is'? "Wherever you go, there you are" isn't a suggestion to take yourself to be a person separate from everything you're not, I didn't say it was. so that in whatever location or whatever state you find yourself to be, well, that's just fine and dandy. If someone takes themselves to be a separate person and is suffering, that will likely spark their interest in spirituality to begin with. "Wherever you go, there you are" is meant to bring to the attention of the listener the idea that they can't outrun themselves, or even, their life situation. It's a call to stop looking to the future, the past or some other place or situation for inner peace. That very well may be -- but I'd like to know where and in what context this particular catch-phrase was borne.Taking oneself to be a separate person is a prerequisite to suffering. The good news is that if this is what one takes themselves to be, there's lots of stuff they can do, and lots of effort they can make.I thought you were agin doing and efforting.
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Post by enigma on Oct 19, 2014 13:04:30 GMT -5
If only there were someone in his life pointing to that sooner, it might have saved him years. Saved? I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... You wouldn't want to be saved years of meditating the 'wrong' way?
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Post by enigma on Oct 19, 2014 13:06:26 GMT -5
who told ya' that?? I'm sure you've said it -- like I said, I forget the wording -- something like wherever you are, there you are - see? I can't remember how it goes, cr*p! I found it: Wherever you go, there you are. It doesn't mean "Wherever a person, is cool."
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Post by silver on Oct 19, 2014 13:10:04 GMT -5
Saved? I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... You wouldn't want to be saved years of meditating the 'wrong' way? But he lived his life, he wasn't complaining, just learned something along the way. In the meantime, he was building a reputation and earning at the very least, a reasonable living. I'm sure his sentiment would be, what, me worry?
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Post by laughter on Oct 19, 2014 13:11:32 GMT -5
"Wherever you go, there you are" isn't a suggestion to take yourself to be a person separate from everything you're not, I didn't say it was. so that in whatever location or whatever state you find yourself to be, well, that's just fine and dandy. If someone takes themselves to be a separate person and is suffering, that will likely spark their interest in spirituality to begin with. "Wherever you go, there you are" is meant to bring to the attention of the listener the idea that they can't outrun themselves, or even, their life situation. It's a call to stop looking to the future, the past or some other place or situation for inner peace. That very well may be -- but I'd like to know where and in what context this particular catch-phrase was borne.Taking oneself to be a separate person is a prerequisite to suffering. The good news is that if this is what one takes themselves to be, there's lots of stuff they can do, and lots of effort they can make.I thought you were agin doing and efforting. As long as one is personally identified then suggesting effort is something they'll understand and might get them engaged in something like, meditation for instance. But it's never too early to realize the falsity of personal identification. When E' used the word "saved", in what opened our dialog here: If only there were someone in his life pointing to that sooner, it might have saved him years. Saved? I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... ... he was writing in the context of time, a process. The sooner the personally identified individual sees the nature of that identification, the sooner that they'll recognize that what they thought was effort, actually was anything but.
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Post by enigma on Oct 19, 2014 13:11:41 GMT -5
"Wherever you go, there you are" isn't a suggestion to take yourself to be a person separate from everything you're not, I didn't say it was. so that in whatever location or whatever state you find yourself to be, well, that's just fine and dandy. If someone takes themselves to be a separate person and is suffering, that will likely spark their interest in spirituality to begin with. "Wherever you go, there you are" is meant to bring to the attention of the listener the idea that they can't outrun themselves, or even, their life situation. It's a call to stop looking to the future, the past or some other place or situation for inner peace. That very well may be -- but I'd like to know where and in what context this particular catch-phrase was borne.Taking oneself to be a separate person is a prerequisite to suffering. The good news is that if this is what one takes themselves to be, there's lots of stuff they can do, and lots of effort they can make.I thought you were agin doing and efforting. IF that were true, then saving somebody the effort of years of improper meditation would be a good thingy, right?
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Post by enigma on Oct 19, 2014 13:14:34 GMT -5
You wouldn't want to be saved years of meditating the 'wrong' way? But he lived his life, he wasn't complaining, just learned something along the way. In the meantime, he was building a reputation and earning at the very least, a reasonable living. I'm sure his sentiment would be, what, me worry? You wouldn't want to be saved years of meditating the 'wrong' way?
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Post by silver on Oct 19, 2014 13:15:30 GMT -5
I thought you were agin doing and efforting. IF that were true, then saving somebody the effort of years of improper meditation would be a good thingy, right? I suppose. But I'm sure he'd say why cry over spilt milk. Once a person has an insight or revelation, it just doesn't matter anymore, because the insight/revelation dissolves time. It's like an instantaneous healing, of sorts. He's the only one to decide whether or not to punish himself for not having the insight/revelation any sooner...which means he didn't learn squat if that happens (he decides he deserves punishment).
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Post by laughter on Oct 19, 2014 13:21:06 GMT -5
"Wherever you go, there you are" isn't a suggestion to take yourself to be a person separate from everything you're not, I didn't say it was. What you wrote was this: I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... If someone is personally identified, then they take themselves to be a person, and the bottom line on that is that however a person defines themselves, then they by necessity define something else that isn't them. From other correspondence on this forum, it seems that the question of whether or not they take themselves to be separate from what they're not often involves nuance, complexity and denial. Generally and honestly speaking, if someone defines themselves as a person, then there is some sort of sense of separation going on.
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Post by silver on Oct 19, 2014 13:23:45 GMT -5
What you wrote was this: I thought wherever a person is, is cool. I forget how that goes... If someone is personally identified, then they take themselves to be a person, and the bottom line on that is that however a person defines themselves, then they by necessity define something else that isn't them. From other correspondence on this forum, it seems that the question of whether or not they take themselves to be separate from what they're not often involves nuance, complexity and denial. Generally and honestly speaking, if someone defines themselves as a person, then there is some sort of sense of separation going on. I am as yet unable to make complete sense - if any - about this separate person issue - I don't think that you or I have arrived at the place where it can be explained in any precise manner - you and I are posting separate posts on this forum. That much I do know. eta - I remain unconcerned over this issue - if it's something that I'll have an insight/revelation over, I await.
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