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Post by earnest on Sept 7, 2014 18:37:08 GMT -5
Been listening to a Rupert Spira interview on Batgap - batgap.com/rupert-spira/ At one point he is giving Rick a bit of a grilling about what his direct experience is - around the 1hr 20mins mark. This all got very interesting for me (and I'm summarising in my words) - Rupert talks about awareness being the fundamental ground of being, which I get and is obvious to me. - He talks about how everything arises in awareness and therefore is made of awareness (I'd heard this before, but something resonated differently and is currently resonating differently, which was a bit of a leap for me) - I can experiment with this using my visual field - eg, I close my eyes,.. awareness is present, I open my eyes - same awareness present, and my visual field is now full of objects. Those objects appeared in awareness, so from actual direct experience, they are made of/from awareness. When I open my eyes and see the telephone on my desk, in this moment its just made of seeing, and seeing is made of awareness (as it has arisen in/from awareness, so how could it be anything else?). It's not a separate independent hard object, its made of seeing. if I pick up the handset, or it rings etc, then its made of touching, or sound etc. This was not new to me as an idea, but interesting that I can see the direct experience of it now.
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2014 20:25:33 GMT -5
Been listening to a Rupert Spira interview on Batgap - batgap.com/rupert-spira/ At one point he is giving Rick a bit of a grilling about what his direct experience is - around the 1hr 20mins mark. This all got very interesting for me (and I'm summarising in my words) - Rupert talks about awareness being the fundamental ground of being, which I get and is obvious to me. - He talks about how everything arises in awareness and therefore is made of awareness (I'd heard this before, but something resonated differently and is currently resonating differently, which was a bit of a leap for me) - I can experiment with this using my visual field - eg, I close my eyes,.. awareness is present, I open my eyes - same awareness present, and my visual field is now full of objects. Those objects appeared in awareness, so from actual direct experience, they are made of/from awareness. When I open my eyes and see the telephone on my desk, in this moment its just made of seeing, and seeing is made of awareness (as it has arisen in/from awareness, so how could it be anything else?). It's not a separate independent hard object, its made of seeing. if I pick up the handset, or it rings etc, then its made of touching, or sound etc. This was not new to me as an idea, but interesting that I can see the direct experience of it now. Thanks again for another great report Earnie. If you're ever interested in challenging the idea of what the objects are made of, you know where to find me!
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Post by earnest on Sept 8, 2014 3:38:11 GMT -5
Thanks again for another great report Earnie. If you're ever interested in challenging the idea of what the objects are made of, you know where to find me! Deal me in plz
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Post by earnest on Sept 8, 2014 6:15:59 GMT -5
Btw I do like that song...
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Post by silver on Sept 8, 2014 6:34:03 GMT -5
WHere's your awareness in deep sleep, or when anesthetized? upon awakening you cannot account for what 'awareness' would have informed you of during the interval it was absent.. your description is mind-play.. Mind play? perhaps.. I'll play the game to the end! *laughs and slams dice into the board* HA!..... .As if you had a choice!
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Post by earnest on Sept 8, 2014 6:55:55 GMT -5
Mind play? perhaps.. I'll play the game to the end! *laughs and slams dice into the board* HA!..... .As if you had a choice! Hah indeed!! Sometimes I miss having choices.... Do I sail my yacht to the Bahamas or to the Maldives?..... Sooner or later the destination just announces itself in my head! Crew, set sail for Fiji at once! First mate,.. Bring dinner to my quarters at sunset...
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Post by silver on Sept 8, 2014 7:06:27 GMT -5
HA!..... .As if you had a choice! Hah indeed!! Sometimes I miss having choices.... Do I sail my yacht to the Bahamas or to the Maldives?..... Sooner or later the destination just announces itself in my head! Crew, set sail for Fiji at once! First mate,.. Bring dinner to my quarters at sunset... Fiji! Yeah. Let's just hope it's not underwater by the time we get there. I think this calls for a little surf n turf.
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Post by earnest on Sept 8, 2014 7:12:08 GMT -5
Hah indeed!! Sometimes I miss having choices.... Do I sail my yacht to the Bahamas or to the Maldives?..... Sooner or later the destination just announces itself in my head! Crew, set sail for Fiji at once! First mate,.. Bring dinner to my quarters at sunset... Fiji! Yeah. Let's just hope it's not underwater by the time we get there. I think this calls for a little surf n turf. Did you choose surf n turf,.. or just notice that surf n turf announced itself
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Post by silver on Sept 8, 2014 8:20:23 GMT -5
Fiji! Yeah. Let's just hope it's not underwater by the time we get there. I think this calls for a little surf n turf. Did you choose surf n turf,.. or just notice that surf n turf announced itself Ha, and aarrggh, matey ... no magical mystery tour here what self respectin' carnivore doesn't like steak & lobster! I heard the ocean ... and now you know the rest of the story.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 8, 2014 9:43:01 GMT -5
Been listening to a Rupert Spira interview on Batgap - batgap.com/rupert-spira/ At one point he is giving Rick a bit of a grilling about what his direct experience is - around the 1hr 20mins mark. This all got very interesting for me (and I'm summarising in my words) - Rupert talks about awareness being the fundamental ground of being, which I get and is obvious to me. - He talks about how everything arises in awareness and therefore is made of awareness (I'd heard this before, but something resonated differently and is currently resonating differently, which was a bit of a leap for me) - I can experiment with this using my visual field - eg, I close my eyes,.. awareness is present, I open my eyes - same awareness present, and my visual field is now full of objects. Those objects appeared in awareness, so from actual direct experience, they are made of/from awareness. When I open my eyes and see the telephone on my desk, in this moment its just made of seeing, and seeing is made of awareness (as it has arisen in/from awareness, so how could it be anything else?). It's not a separate independent hard object, its made of seeing. if I pick up the handset, or it rings etc, then its made of touching, or sound etc. This was not new to me as an idea, but interesting that I can see the direct experience of it now. WHere's your awareness in deep sleep, or when anesthetized? upon awakening you cannot account for what 'awareness' would have informed you of during the interval it was absent.. your description is mind-play.. No, it makes perfect sense. When you are asleep or anesthetized, for you, the phone does not exist. Where we all go wrong is think that our view of the world is the one and only correct, objective view. That is how a normal guy from Great Britain joins ISIS and cuts another guys head off live on the internet. And back to our earlier discussion elsewhere, there has to be a fundamental ground of being. The beginning either has to be dead material substance or Awareness. They don't mutually arise together. And matter can't be the beginning because even physics says that *stuff* had a beginning, and something can't come from nothing. Something comes from Awareness. Awareness is the ground of being. sdp sdp
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2014 10:04:43 GMT -5
Thanks again for another great report Earnie. If you're ever interested in challenging the idea of what the objects are made of, you know where to find me! Deal me in plz So what did you think the objects were made of before you did Spira's inquiry?
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Post by earnest on Sept 8, 2014 18:04:02 GMT -5
Deal me in plz So what did you think the objects were made of before you did Spira's inquiry? I thought they were made of "stuff". Things had components - eg, this ipad is made of metal, glass, plastic - that are together to make an object. This object exists by itself. Eg I could post you my ipad, you could receive it and start using it.
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2014 18:14:39 GMT -5
So what did you think the objects were made of before you did Spira's inquiry? I thought they were made of "stuff". Things had components - eg, this ipad is made of metal, glass, plastic - that are together to make an object. This object exists by itself. Eg I could post you my ipad, you could receive it and start using it. Yes, now, stating the obvious, another term for that is "objective reality". It seems to me (and lots of other folks too), that the general consensus among most people is there is an objective reality that they're a part of. Do you see it that way as well? Now, Spira often points to "the Awareness that you are", is that right?
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Post by earnest on Sept 8, 2014 19:20:29 GMT -5
I thought they were made of "stuff". Things had components - eg, this ipad is made of metal, glass, plastic - that are together to make an object. This object exists by itself. Eg I could post you my ipad, you could receive it and start using it. Yes, now, stating the obvious, another term for that is "objective reality". It seems to me (and lots of other folks too), that the general consensus among most people is there is an objective reality that they're a part of. Do you see it that way as well? Now, Spira often points to "the Awareness that you are", is that right? Do I see that there is an objective reality that I'm a part of? I'm not quite so sure about that anymore when I look at the direct experiencing. However I have no issue with the apparent world that I move around and act in. Re "the awareness that you are" - Pretty sure that's how he puts it
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
Yes, now, stating the obvious, another term for that is "objective reality". It seems to me (and lots of other folks too), that the general consensus among most people is there is an objective reality that they're a part of. Do you see it that way as well? Now, Spira often points to "the Awareness that you are", is that right? Do I see that there is an objective reality that I'm a part of? I'm not quite so sure about that anymore when I look at the direct experiencing. Right, that's what I took you to mean in the OP. The question was rather do you find that in general, the idea of being a part of an objective reality is a common one among other people? Re "the awareness that you are" - Pretty sure that's how he puts it So if the objects are made of awareness and you are the awareness then can you conclude anything by putting those two ideas together?
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