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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2014 18:29:37 GMT -5
the cycles of water on earth are the same as they were before man ever walked it
crash against rocks in wind under a steel grey sky
lap against sunkist sand at the toes of the pleasure seekers
flooding the canyons after sudden rain
or just a steady flow of sweet freshness that gives life
this repetition is soothing, not annoying
it stirs in us a memory
of what?
of whom?
of where?
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2014 19:20:15 GMT -5
If Earth is not a conceptual dream about the apparent correction of imperfection, then there is no other reason for such a primitive school. Every dreamscape can only contain opportunities for correction, why else would Intelligence involve and imagine itself, in apparent evolution. And Perfection/Heaven/Nirvana/This? can't evolve, past where it is without a perceived you. In another Heaven/Niravana/This. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 25, 2014 22:57:36 GMT -5
Since I don't frequent the teacher's thread, I hadn't seen this. If Earth is not a conceptual dream about the apparent correction of imperfection, then there is no other reason for such a primitive school. If one assumes there's schoolwork going on, working toward improvement would be the only logical conclusion, but this is not a school and nobody's trying to learn us sumthin. There seems to be an inherent interest in experiencing, initially quite innocently without all sorts of complicated motives. The motives comes along after self delusion sets in. Intelligence, as we're talking about it, is not personal, meaning 'it' is not having independent thoughts, plans and motives about what to get involved in and such. That only happens when Intelligence touches personal mind. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 26, 2014 11:21:16 GMT -5
in the teachers section KILL JED NOW ! i said ´´getouttahere!´´--cause she´d read Jed but didnt know who Maya was but i didnt mean it litterally gee ...i am flabbergasted by the things you read in my posts--like i dont know ´´who´´ maya is...HAA!!!
you implying you are ´´enlightened jed style´´and you dont know what maya is??gettouttahere!
you play games wren have fun
Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/user/1314/recent?page=2#ixzz3BW1ryCQl |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 26, 2014 14:34:18 GMT -5
Life is a school.  .........  ...........  ............  ...................  One test along the way is to see life is a school.......... Shar-wren.......Hello-Goodbye (hello).......... sdp |
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Post by enigma on Aug 26, 2014 19:04:00 GMT -5
Life is a school. ......... ........... ............ ................... One test along the way is to see life is a school.......... Shar-wren.......Hello-Goodbye (hello).......... sdp That's a New Age idea used to try to explain why life is so often a struggle and to encourage peeps to 'graduate'. I have nothing against New Age, but who set up the lesson plan? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 26, 2014 22:12:57 GMT -5
Life is a school. ......... ........... ............ ................... One test along the way is to see life is a school.......... Shar-wren.......Hello-Goodbye (hello).......... sdp That's a New Age idea used to try to explain why life is so often a struggle and to encourage peeps to 'graduate'. I have nothing against New Age, but who set up the lesson plan? Supreme Ordering Intelligence |
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Post by enigma on Aug 26, 2014 22:25:24 GMT -5
That's a New Age idea used to try to explain why life is so often a struggle and to encourage peeps to 'graduate'. I have nothing against New Age, but who set up the lesson plan? Supreme Ordering Intelligence In the context of Pantheism (which I don't see as in conflict with nonduality), the 'teacher' is immanent in the entire universe, and this is also the student. Or do you see SOI, and then something else in which SOI is not immanent which takes the role of student? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 26, 2014 23:04:45 GMT -5
Supreme Ordering Intelligence In the context of Pantheism (which I don't see as in conflict with nonduality), the 'teacher' is immanent in the entire universe, and this is also the student. Or do you see SOI, and then something else in which SOI is not immanent which takes the role of student? My signature says Panentheist, not pantheist. I agree, no conflict between pantheism and nonduality. SOI permeates the whole universe but is not confined to the universe. SOI is transcendent. The whole of the universe does not equal the whole of SOI (IMvhO). It is in this sense that I am not a non-dualist. As far as the whole of the universe is concerned, I am a non-dualist. SOI is the Source of life, life on loan. Our purpose is to unite with Source, but never as identity. sdp |
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Post by enigma on Aug 27, 2014 2:56:32 GMT -5
In the context of Pantheism (which I don't see as in conflict with nonduality), the 'teacher' is immanent in the entire universe, and this is also the student. Or do you see SOI, and then something else in which SOI is not immanent which takes the role of student? My signature says Panentheist, not pantheist. I agree, no conflict between pantheism and nonduality. SOI permeates the whole universe but is not confined to the universe. SOI is transcendent. The whole of the universe does not equal the whole of SOI (IMvhO). It is in this sense that I am not a non-dualist. As far as the whole of the universe is concerned, I am a non-dualist. SOI is the Source of life, life on loan. Our purpose is to unite with Source, but never as identity. sdp Oh, I thought that was a typo. Hehe. I still don't see any conflict. Niz said something like 'The world is my body'. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 3:14:41 GMT -5
My signature says Panentheist, not pantheist. I agree, no conflict between pantheism and nonduality. SOI permeates the whole universe but is not confined to the universe. SOI is transcendent. The whole of the universe does not equal the whole of SOI (IMvhO). It is in this sense that I am not a non-dualist. As far as the whole of the universe is concerned, I am a non-dualist. SOI is the Source of life, life on loan. Our purpose is to unite with Source, but never as identity. sdp Oh, I thought that was a typo. Hehe. I still don't see any conflict. Niz said something like 'The world is my body'. true, mind arises from zero. One can spot this if theyve developed sufficient awareness. B Alert. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2014 6:52:40 GMT -5
My signature says Panentheist, not pantheist. I agree, no conflict between pantheism and nonduality. SOI permeates the whole universe but is not confined to the universe. SOI is transcendent. The whole of the universe does not equal the whole of SOI (IMvhO). It is in this sense that I am not a non-dualist. As far as the whole of the universe is concerned, I am a non-dualist. SOI is the Source of life, life on loan. Our purpose is to unite with Source, but never as identity. sdp Oh, I thought that was a typo. Hehe. I still don't see any conflict. Niz said something like 'The world is my body'. Checked out the wiki on panenthiesim and I understand the distinction ... but there's this question: "does the distinction raise an actual difference from panthiesm?" ... to answer the question by "it's arguable", is a bit of an understatement.  |
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2014 6:56:13 GMT -5
In the context of Pantheism (which I don't see as in conflict with nonduality), the 'teacher' is immanent in the entire universe, and this is also the student. Or do you see SOI, and then something else in which SOI is not immanent which takes the role of student? My signature says Panentheist, not pantheist. I agree, no conflict between pantheism and nonduality. SOI permeates the whole universe but is not confined to the universe. SOI is transcendent. The whole of the universe does not equal the whole of SOI (IMvhO). It is in this sense that I am not a non-dualist. As far as the whole of the universe is concerned, I am a non-dualist. SOI is the Source of life, life on loan. Our purpose is to unite with Source, but never as identity. sdp Darrel, I've never addressed this although I've inferred your opinion from your writing in the past, but if you think of me as a "nondualist", then you're not thinking of me the way that I think of myself. I've never claimed to be God, and most of the others here you likely think of as "nondualists" haven't either. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 27, 2014 9:22:53 GMT -5
Oh, I thought that was a typo. Hehe. I still don't see any conflict. Niz said something like 'The world is my body'. Checked out the wiki on panenthiesim and I understand the distinction ... but there's this question: "does the distinction raise an actual difference from panthiesm?" ... to answer the question by "it's arguable", is a bit of an understatement. This addresses E above also. Pantheism says that the whole of God equals the whole of the universe, both are made of the same ~substance~. Panentheism says that God exists outside the universe, is not confined to the universe. IOW, there is part of God that does not touch the universe. This negates non-duality. More in next post. sdp |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 9:29:48 GMT -5
Checked out the wiki on panenthiesim and I understand the distinction ... but there's this question: "does the distinction raise an actual difference from panthiesm?" ... to answer the question by "it's arguable", is a bit of an understatement. This addresses E above also. Pantheism says that the whole of God equals the whole of the universe, both are made of the same ~substance~. Panentheism says that God exists outside the universe, is not confined to the universe. IOW, there is part of God that does not touch the universe. This negates non-duality. More in next post. sdp what were you before you became something else sdp? Intelligence has the capacity to see that thought is limited and creative intelligence lives life in the moment. (sorry for the edit) |
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