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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 21:31:03 GMT -5
'purify' is simply discarding incorrect-concepts and beliefs from the mind. Yes essentially that's what meditation amounts to although rather than discarding I'd say instead that its about seeing them for what they are and also noticing our orientation toward them. Also, to say that the concepts are incorrect might imply that there are some correct set of concepts but what we're referring to that's worthy of attention aren't ideas that are inherently bad or evil, it's just that they result in an obscuration. "Purify" is an interesting sort of hook because it's not at all the same idea as, say, cleaning toxic or septic substances from water to make it potable. Not only is it not as if any of the ideas that we'd attached to the sense of being are inherently impure, but in the witnessing, the notion that we could ever be (or have been) anything but the purity that Niz refers to is seen for the falsity that it is. See-ing is discarding.(do nothing) Notice how magical See-ing is. Thus, insight becomes a valuable resourse.
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Post by laughter on Aug 26, 2014 7:30:18 GMT -5
Yes essentially that's what meditation amounts to although rather than discarding I'd say instead that its about seeing them for what they are and also noticing our orientation toward them. Also, to say that the concepts are incorrect might imply that there are some correct set of concepts but what we're referring to that's worthy of attention aren't ideas that are inherently bad or evil, it's just that they result in an obscuration. "Purify" is an interesting sort of hook because it's not at all the same idea as, say, cleaning toxic or septic substances from water to make it potable. Not only is it not as if any of the ideas that we'd attached to the sense of being are inherently impure, but in the witnessing, the notion that we could ever be (or have been) anything but the purity that Niz refers to is seen for the falsity that it is. See-ing is discarding.(do nothing) Notice how magical See-ing is. Thus, insight becomes a valuable resourse. Yeah, come to think of it, "insight" is one of those English language words where nonduality makes a sort of oblique entrance into the culture, essentially by the way of the subconscious. It's usage doesn't necessarily refer to turning attention away from the outer world of appearances and toward our inner being, but at the very least it suggests looking for meaning beneath or obscured by the superficial. Funny how when one stops looking for meaning by the intellect how apparent the deeper meaning of what's right in front of us becomes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 8:16:26 GMT -5
See-ing is discarding.(do nothing) Notice how magical See-ing is. Thus, insight becomes a valuable resourse. Yeah, come to think of it, "insight" is one of those English language words where nonduality makes a sort of oblique entrance into the culture, essentially by the way of the subconscious. It's usage doesn't necessarily refer to turning attention away from the outer world of appearances and toward our inner being, but at the very least it suggests looking for meaning beneath or obscured by the superficial. Funny how when one stops looking for meaning by the intellect how apparent the deeper meaning of what's right in front of us becomes. there is insight and there is falling in. To settle deep inside your bodymind and loose all outside awareness something different happens when you're least expecting.(like an accident) Going there, within, for longer and longer periods and resting, devoid of mental-dialoque, one can become confronted by the rising star a light so bright the only thing I can think of that resembles it is burning magnesium ribbon which we did in high school science. I figured this is what the buddha ment when he gave up trying and slumped under a tree. Giving up after long periods of really trying sometimes takes a few years but its worth trying too as accidents can happen along the way. Too much study can be a disadvantage, it can hold-off an experience which might be there waiting, as having onboard information as I just shared with you above can leave the ego expectant. But never the less, hopefully you will forget me and fall-in and find-out all on your own as I did having read some spiritual book 30 years earlier. I think, best explore first and then after an event the words arise from within you that fit the bill exactly. So, stuff this idea in the blender, add fresh fruit an vodka and drink it down... you'll piss it all out again after a few hours.
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Post by laughter on Aug 26, 2014 8:22:21 GMT -5
Yeah, come to think of it, "insight" is one of those English language words where nonduality makes a sort of oblique entrance into the culture, essentially by the way of the subconscious. It's usage doesn't necessarily refer to turning attention away from the outer world of appearances and toward our inner being, but at the very least it suggests looking for meaning beneath or obscured by the superficial. Funny how when one stops looking for meaning by the intellect how apparent the deeper meaning of what's right in front of us becomes. there is insight and there is falling in. To settle deep inside your bodymind and loose all outside awareness something different happens when you're least expecting.(like an accident) Going there, within, for longer and longer periods and resting, devoid of mental-dialoque, one can become confronted by the rising star a light so bright the only thing I can think of that resembles it is burning magnesium ribbon which we did in high school science. I figured this is what the buddha ment when he gave up trying and slumped under a tree. Giving up after long periods of really trying sometimes takes a few years but its worth trying too as accidents can happen along the way. Too much study can be a disadvantage, it can hold-off an experience which might be there waiting, as having onboard information as I just shared with you above can leave the ego expectant. But never the less, hopefully you will forget me and fall-in and find-out all on your own as I did having read some spiritual book 30 years earlier. I think, best explore first and then after an event the words arise from within you that fit the bill exactly. So, stuff this idea in the blender, add fresh fruit an vodka and drink it down... you'll piss it all out again after a few hours. Only if the nuts were raised humanely, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 8:24:10 GMT -5
So, stuff this idea in the blender, add fresh fruit an vodka and drink it down... you'll piss it all out again after a few hours. Only if the nuts were raised humanely, thanks. lol I editted.
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Post by laughter on Aug 26, 2014 8:31:51 GMT -5
Only if the nuts were raised humanely, thanks. lol I editted. Well I also prefer fruits that were grown free of abuse as well.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 26, 2014 19:04:33 GMT -5
"Meditation is this knowledge ‘I am’, this consciousness, meditating on itself"
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Post by steven on Aug 26, 2014 23:16:20 GMT -5
'purify' is simply discarding incorrect-concepts and beliefs from the mind. Yes essentially that's what meditation amounts to although rather than discarding I'd say instead that its about seeing them for what they are and also noticing our orientation toward them. Also, to say that the concepts are incorrect might imply that there are some correct set of concepts but what we're referring to that's worthy of attention aren't ideas that are inherently bad or evil, it's just that they result in an obscuration. "Purify" is an interesting sort of hook because it's not at all the same idea as, say, cleaning toxic or septic substances from water to make it potable. Not only is it not as if any of the ideas that we'd attached to the sense of being are inherently impure, but in the witnessing, the notion that we could ever be (or have been) anything but the purity that Niz refers to is seen for the falsity that it is. Meditation is not about seeing, its about letting go of the localized 'seer', or localized perspective ...a kind of: WAKING UP!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 23:25:22 GMT -5
Yes essentially that's what meditation amounts to although rather than discarding I'd say instead that its about seeing them for what they are and also noticing our orientation toward them. Also, to say that the concepts are incorrect might imply that there are some correct set of concepts but what we're referring to that's worthy of attention aren't ideas that are inherently bad or evil, it's just that they result in an obscuration. "Purify" is an interesting sort of hook because it's not at all the same idea as, say, cleaning toxic or septic substances from water to make it potable. Not only is it not as if any of the ideas that we'd attached to the sense of being are inherently impure, but in the witnessing, the notion that we could ever be (or have been) anything but the purity that Niz refers to is seen for the falsity that it is. Meditation is not about seeing, its about letting go of the localized 'seer', or localized perspective ...a kind of: WAKING UP! if awaking could be generated or passed-on, the whole world would be awake. Good to see you back here steve welcome home.
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2014 6:42:03 GMT -5
Yes essentially that's what meditation amounts to although rather than discarding I'd say instead that its about seeing them for what they are and also noticing our orientation toward them. Also, to say that the concepts are incorrect might imply that there are some correct set of concepts but what we're referring to that's worthy of attention aren't ideas that are inherently bad or evil, it's just that they result in an obscuration. "Purify" is an interesting sort of hook because it's not at all the same idea as, say, cleaning toxic or septic substances from water to make it potable. Not only is it not as if any of the ideas that we'd attached to the sense of being are inherently impure, but in the witnessing, the notion that we could ever be (or have been) anything but the purity that Niz refers to is seen for the falsity that it is. Meditation is not about seeing, its about letting go of the localized 'seer', or localized perspective ...a kind of: WAKING UP! That depends. What sees? What lets go? Meditation happens.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 27, 2014 15:39:47 GMT -5
"As long as you are a beginner certain formalized meditations, or prayers, may be good for you. But for a seeker for reality there is only one meditation.....the rigorous refusal to harbour thoughts. To be free from thoughts is itself meditation. You begin by letting thoughts flow and watching them. The very observation slows down the mind until it stops altogether. Once the mind is quiet, keep it quiet. Do not get bored with peace, be in it, go deeper into it. Experiment anew (each time you meditate), do not go by past experience. Watch your thoughts and watch yourself watching the thoughts. The state of freedom from all thoughts will happen suddenly and by the bliss of it you shall recognize it."
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2014 15:53:59 GMT -5
"As long as you are a beginner certain formalized meditations, or prayers, may be good for you. But for a seeker for reality there is only one meditation.....the rigorous refusal to harbour thoughts. To be free from thoughts is itself meditation. You begin by letting thoughts flow and watching them. The very observation slows down the mind until it stops altogether. Once the mind is quiet, keep it quiet. Do not get bored with peace, be in it, go deeper into it. Experiment anew (each time you meditate), do not go by past experience. Watch your thoughts and watch yourself watching the thoughts. The state of freedom from all thoughts will happen suddenly and by the bliss of it you shall recognize it." Hell yeah! That's the good sh!t! Right there!
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2014 20:53:47 GMT -5
Meditation is not about seeing, its about letting go of the localized 'seer', or localized perspective ...a kind of: WAKING UP! if awaking could be generated or passed-on, the whole world would be awake. Good to see you back here steve welcome home. Good to see your words here to my friend, they frequently interject a moment of joy and clarity into my experience. As to the first bit, the universe seems to relish dreams as much as waking, maybe more lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:59:32 GMT -5
if awaking could be generated or passed-on, the whole world would be awake. Good to see you back here steve welcome home. Good to see your words here to my friend, they frequently interject a moment of joy and clarity into my experience. As to the first bit, the universe seems to relish dreams as much as waking, maybe more lol certainly accommodates all possibilities... if we do not dream-up solution(s) the world remains the mental asylum for the universe? I am fascinated by accidental happenings that occur when ppl are locked into their minds allowing them a moments clarity and how getting lost inside can reveal life to be bliss. Glad you have returned. Hope ppl can use you.
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2014 21:08:50 GMT -5
Meditation is not about seeing, its about letting go of the localized 'seer', or localized perspective ...a kind of: WAKING UP! That depends. What sees? What lets go? Meditation happens. The lack of something defines it's presence. Meditation happens because it is absent for periods of experience in that localized bundle of perspective and perception that partially defines YOU. When meditation is not absent, meditation is no longer meditation. Said another way, meditation only exists as a defined experience for someone who SOMETIMES meditates.
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