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Post by relinquish on Aug 8, 2014 7:46:08 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 9:55:31 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality. How do imperfections fit into your ontology?
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Post by zendancer on Aug 8, 2014 10:13:42 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality. Metaphorically speaking, the Garden of Eden is always present. Symbolically, Adam and Eve were banished from the garden after they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge (began to imagine separation and became self-conscious). One might say that imagining separation is the original sin.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 8, 2014 10:16:46 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality. How do imperfections fit into your ontology? What imperfections? Most of the world's mystics have claimed that the world is perfect just as it is. It is, however, doubtful that many people understand what this claim is pointing to.
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Post by silver on Aug 8, 2014 10:27:26 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality. Metaphorically speaking, the Garden of Eden is always present. Symbolically, Adam and Eve were banished from the garden after they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge (began to imagine separation and became self-conscious). One might say that imagining separation is the original sin. I have to wonder IF 'God' hadn't punished them, would they forget they began to imagine separation and became self-conscious, would they eventually have forgotten that they began imagining separation and slipped back into their original state. Just wondering out loud here - ha ha.
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Post by relinquish on Aug 8, 2014 10:36:22 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality. How do imperfections fit into your ontology? There is no imperfection that is not also a conditioned opinion.
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Post by relinquish on Aug 8, 2014 10:42:07 GMT -5
So what do we all think of this idea I just had? The universe is a 'garden' that eternally blooms with effortless perfection and completeness in Reality's 'outside', from the eternal seed that is Realities 'inside' (THIS 'experiencing' THIS). ALL 'things' are included in this garden. This, to me, is non-duality. Metaphorically speaking, the Garden of Eden is always present. Symbolically, Adam and Eve were banished from the garden after they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge (began to imagine separation and became self-conscious). One might say that imagining separation is the original sin. True, but even the belief in separation is just another natural part of the garden.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 10:44:44 GMT -5
How do imperfections fit into your ontology? What imperfections? Most of the world's mystics have claimed that the world is perfect just as it is. It is, however, doubtful that many people understand what this claim is pointing to. Then those who suffer from imperfect understandings are imperfect. If the the universe is perfect, then it would follow that these imperfect ones are not a part of the universe of perfection, and must be derivative of something else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 10:46:29 GMT -5
How do imperfections fit into your ontology? There is no imperfection that is not also a conditioned opinion. The sense of perfection is not the result of a conditioned opinion?
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Post by silver on Aug 8, 2014 11:33:04 GMT -5
There is no imperfection that is not also a conditioned opinion. The sense of perfection is not the result of a conditioned opinion? oh dear, I'm confused again -- aren't you two saying the same thing and then questioning it?!
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Post by steven on Aug 8, 2014 11:34:21 GMT -5
What imperfections? Most of the world's mystics have claimed that the world is perfect just as it is. It is, however, doubtful that many people understand what this claim is pointing to. Then those who suffer from imperfect understandings are imperfect. If the the universe is perfect, then it would follow that these imperfect ones are not a part of the universe of perfection, and must be derivative of something else. All 'Understandings' are imperfect, but there is a perfection to this too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:52:09 GMT -5
Then those who suffer from imperfect understandings are imperfect. If the the universe is perfect, then it would follow that these imperfect ones are not a part of the universe of perfection, and must be derivative of something else. All 'Understandings' are imperfect, but there is a perfection to this too. What is the perfection?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:04:29 GMT -5
The sense of perfection is not the result of a conditioned opinion? oh dear, I'm confused again -- aren't you two saying the same thing and then questioning it?! No, I'm saying that the perspective which holds that the universe is perfect may be no less a conditioned opinion than the opinion that the universe is perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:39:16 GMT -5
isn't "perfection" just a concept? ... another imaginary condition for the mind to prattle on about?
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Post by zendancer on Aug 8, 2014 13:05:15 GMT -5
isn't "perfection" just a concept? ... another imaginary condition for the mind to prattle on about? Of course, but here we're trying to use words to point to something beyond concepts. When the discriminating mind/intellect drops away, what the word/concept "perfection" points to sometimes becomes obvious.
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