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Post by oded on Jul 18, 2014 14:27:50 GMT -5
Friends,
Several years ago I had a powerful awakening that completely changed my life. After an extended period of total disorientation, I began giving satsangs, at the request of those with whom I had spiritually oriented conversations. My satsangs have been continuously growing with time.
I have been giving satsangs for a few years now. I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). As much as I love people and see the good in everyone, I also feel vulnerable. I believe that it's just a matter of time before I may face litigation by someone who may come with unrealistic expectations or any other reason really.
I would like to have a professional liability insurance that would protect me against possible litigation and I'm wondering whether any of you may be familiar with such coverage.
Peace
~ Oded
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 18, 2014 16:04:32 GMT -5
I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). Sure there is. And you can get yours right here for free. After getting my certificate I married my son and now daughter-in-law as my first officiation :-) .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 16:21:13 GMT -5
I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). Sure there is. And you can get yours right here for free. After getting my certificate I married my son and now daughter-in-law as my first officiation :-) . that's purdy cool, I might have to look into that ... we have several weddings, baptisms, and exorcisms coming up next year
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Post by enigma on Jul 18, 2014 18:47:47 GMT -5
Sure there is. And you can get yours right here for free. After getting my certificate I married my son and now daughter-in-law as my first officiation :-) . that's purdy cool, I might have to look into that ... we have several weddings, baptisms, and exorcisms coming up next year A decade or so ago, I performed the wedding for my then girlfriend's daughter and son in law. I asked the guests to tell their favorite stories about the bride or groom. A real kick, funny, touching. BTW, you may call me Reverend Phil. On the exorcism thingy, it's usually not a good idea to schedule too far in the future.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 18, 2014 19:58:52 GMT -5
that's purdy cool, I might have to look into that ... we have several weddings, baptisms, and exorcisms coming up next year A decade or so ago, I performed the wedding for my then girlfriend's daughter and son in law. I asked the guests to tell their favorite stories about the bride or groom. A real kick, funny, touching. BTW, you may call me Reverend Phil. On the exorcism thingy, it's usually not a good idea to schedule too far in the future. I use to tell people I married my son but they would just stare at me real funny like. Now a days I say I married my son and future daughter-in-law. That seems to get 'em over the hurdle. Agreed on the exorcism thingy. However, they can be quite entertaining, and I am available for consults at reasonable prices should anyone need my expertise.
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Post by enigma on Jul 18, 2014 20:06:18 GMT -5
A decade or so ago, I performed the wedding for my then girlfriend's daughter and son in law. I asked the guests to tell their favorite stories about the bride or groom. A real kick, funny, touching. BTW, you may call me Reverend Phil. On the exorcism thingy, it's usually not a good idea to schedule too far in the future. I use to tell people I married my son but they would just stare at me real funny like. Now a days I say I married my son and future daughter-in-law. That seems to get 'em over the hurdle. Agreed on the exorcism thingy. However, they can be quite entertaining, and I am available for consults at reasonable prices should anyone need my expertise. Yeah, I almost said I married my girlfriend's daughter, but decided I'd better rephrase. Hehe.
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Post by silence on Jul 18, 2014 22:06:52 GMT -5
Friends, Several years ago I had a powerful awakening that completely changed my life. After an extended period of total disorientation, I began giving satsangs, at the request of those with whom I had spiritually oriented conversations. My satsangs have been continuously growing with time. I have been giving satsangs for a few years now. I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). As much as I love people and see the good in everyone, I also feel vulnerable. I believe that it's just a matter of time before I may face litigation by someone who may come with unrealistic expectations or any other reason really. I would like to have a professional liability insurance that would protect me against possible litigation and I'm wondering whether any of you may be familiar with such coverage. Peace ~ Oded
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Post by Reefs on Jul 18, 2014 22:49:49 GMT -5
Friends, Several years ago I had a powerful awakening that completely changed my life. After an extended period of total disorientation, I began giving satsangs, at the request of those with whom I had spiritually oriented conversations. My satsangs have been continuously growing with time. I have been giving satsangs for a few years now. I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). As much as I love people and see the good in everyone, I also feel vulnerable. I believe that it's just a matter of time before I may face litigation by someone who may come with unrealistic expectations or any other reason really. I would like to have a professional liability insurance that would protect me against possible litigation and I'm wondering whether any of you may be familiar with such coverage. Peace ~ Oded A guru that suffers from hyper-minding?
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Post by zendancer on Jul 19, 2014 2:20:13 GMT -5
Friends, Several years ago I had a powerful awakening that completely changed my life. After an extended period of total disorientation, I began giving satsangs, at the request of those with whom I had spiritually oriented conversations. My satsangs have been continuously growing with time. I have been giving satsangs for a few years now. I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). As much as I love people and see the good in everyone, I also feel vulnerable. I believe that it's just a matter of time before I may face litigation by someone who may come with unrealistic expectations or any other reason really. I would like to have a professional liability insurance that would protect me against possible litigation and I'm wondering whether any of you may be familiar with such coverage. Peace ~ Oded Most of the well-known advaita teachers have foundations supported by volunteers, and the foundations maintain liability insurance both for the teacher and the organization because of the exposure to the public. Ministers of small churches can buy inexpensive liability insurance (about $200/year), but you may have to create a church and become its minister in order to qualify. A great deal depends upon whether your satsangs are one-on-one or in a large-group format, where they are held, and how they are advertised. One Zen Master I know is also a psychologist, and he was sued by females who claimed that he abused their professional relationship. In one case he was sued by a woman who claimed that he encouraged her to become involved with a Zen organization where she donated free labor. In another case he was sued by a woman who claimed that his private counseling led to an inappropriate sexual relationship. As a result of the second lawsuit he lost his state license to practice psychology for a certain period of time. If you are inviting people into your home for the satsangs, then you need to discuss the liability issue with an insurance agent and find out if your homeowner's policy or a personal liability umbrella policy will cover any potential lawsuits. The scale and scope of what you are doing may affect the cost of the insurance. Small meetings inside your home will probably be covered by either your homeowner policy or personal umbrella liability policy, but meetings in public places will not be. It's a more complex issue than many people realize. If giving satsang is a major means of livelihood, and this is something that you do a lot, you might want to consider establishing an independent retreat center and having the center buy insurance on both the facility and yourself.
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Post by silence on Jul 19, 2014 15:34:43 GMT -5
Friends, Several years ago I had a powerful awakening that completely changed my life. After an extended period of total disorientation, I began giving satsangs, at the request of those with whom I had spiritually oriented conversations. My satsangs have been continuously growing with time. I have been giving satsangs for a few years now. I don't have a certificate as a spiritual teacher, (nor am I aware that there's a body which dispenses those). As much as I love people and see the good in everyone, I also feel vulnerable. I believe that it's just a matter of time before I may face litigation by someone who may come with unrealistic expectations or any other reason really. I would like to have a professional liability insurance that would protect me against possible litigation and I'm wondering whether any of you may be familiar with such coverage. Peace ~ Oded Most of the well-known advaita teachers have foundations supported by volunteers, and the foundations maintain liability insurance both for the teacher and the organization because of the exposure to the public. Ministers of small churches can buy inexpensive liability insurance (about $200/year), but you may have to create a church and become its minister in order to qualify. A great deal depends upon whether your satsangs are one-on-one or in a large-group format, where they are held, and how they are advertised. One Zen Master I know is also a psychologist, and he was sued by females who claimed that he abused their professional relationship. In one case he was sued by a woman who claimed that he encouraged her to become involved with a Zen organization where she donated free labor. In another case he was sued by a woman who claimed that his private counseling led to an inappropriate sexual relationship. As a result of the second lawsuit he lost his state license to practice psychology for a certain period of time. If you are inviting people into your home for the satsangs, then you need to discuss the liability issue with an insurance agent and find out if your homeowner's policy or a personal liability umbrella policy will cover any potential lawsuits. The scale and scope of what you are doing may affect the cost of the insurance. Small meetings inside your home will probably be covered by either your homeowner policy or personal umbrella liability policy, but meetings in public places will not be. It's a more complex issue than many people realize. If giving satsang is a major means of livelihood, and this is something that you do a lot, you might want to consider establishing an independent retreat center and having the center buy insurance on both the facility and yourself. In the eyes of the law having an "awakening" doesn't mean anything. As you say, it's a complex issue because you're essentially presenting yourself as some sort of professional when in fact if push comes to shove, you're not. I've worked with adolescents in a few different capacities and had a few allegations made against me. All were cleared but it was a very serious matter. The one thing I learned over the years was to NEVER be alone with anyone whom I was working with in any sort of "helping" capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 23:13:13 GMT -5
Most of the well-known advaita teachers have foundations supported by volunteers, and the foundations maintain liability insurance both for the teacher and the organization because of the exposure to the public. Ministers of small churches can buy inexpensive liability insurance (about $200/year), but you may have to create a church and become its minister in order to qualify. A great deal depends upon whether your satsangs are one-on-one or in a large-group format, where they are held, and how they are advertised. One Zen Master I know is also a psychologist, and he was sued by females who claimed that he abused their professional relationship. In one case he was sued by a woman who claimed that he encouraged her to become involved with a Zen organization where she donated free labor. In another case he was sued by a woman who claimed that his private counseling led to an inappropriate sexual relationship. As a result of the second lawsuit he lost his state license to practice psychology for a certain period of time. If you are inviting people into your home for the satsangs, then you need to discuss the liability issue with an insurance agent and find out if your homeowner's policy or a personal liability umbrella policy will cover any potential lawsuits. The scale and scope of what you are doing may affect the cost of the insurance. Small meetings inside your home will probably be covered by either your homeowner policy or personal umbrella liability policy, but meetings in public places will not be. It's a more complex issue than many people realize. If giving satsang is a major means of livelihood, and this is something that you do a lot, you might want to consider establishing an independent retreat center and having the center buy insurance on both the facility and yourself. In the eyes of the law having an "awakening" doesn't mean anything. As you say, it's a complex issue because you're essentially presenting yourself as some sort of professional when in fact if push comes to shove, you're not. I've worked with adolescents in a few different capacities and had a few allegations made against me. All were cleared but it was a very serious matter. The one thing I learned over the years was to NEVER be alone with anyone whom I was working with in any sort of "helping" capacity. I learned the same thing working in group homes.
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