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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:14:47 GMT -5
Precisely. How, is that perfection happening?
Yeah I've talked the Rare Earth talk with friends before. It is incredible. An inch either way and none of this is happening.
Did you really end that post with My question?
Earthlings think themselves to be rare and special, so we create rare specialness. Every Earthling is rare, and impermanent.
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Post by enigma on Aug 7, 2014 17:16:29 GMT -5
Earthlings think themselves to be rare and special, so we create rare specialness. Every Earthling is rare, and impermanent. Like I say....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:33:54 GMT -5
Are you sure it's behind? Isn't it clearer to say it's within it? To say Intelligence is within life is to suggest that it is driving the vehicle of form as a means of perception. Consciousness is not subject to form, and the vehicle is already a story about how perception happens. When I say consciousness is behind form, I mean prior to form. Form is within consciousness. Yeah, I've seen that all Forms are Within it. I wasn't suggesting that it is doing the driving all the time. I was suggesting that given the space, the subtle can reveal itself as alive in all forms. *cogs whirring* ..Ah ok, it's likely that it's my own dividing, my own, I think you call it, bifurcation, that sees the Intelligence within.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:37:18 GMT -5
Every Earthling is rare, and impermanent. Like I say....
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 7, 2014 20:36:04 GMT -5
The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours. Of course I don't believe our universe arose by chance. Supreme Ordering Intelligence set up our universe, for a reason, with meaning. Part of the test is finding the meaning, asking, How is all this happening? sdp Precisely. How, is that perfection happening?
Yeah I've talked the Rare Earth talk with friends before. It is incredible. An inch either way and none of this is happening.
Did you really end that post with My question?
I was affirming, excellent question. sdp
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 7, 2014 20:57:44 GMT -5
The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours.You see it as a coincidence that in all the multiverses life just happens to appear in ours? Where else could we appear but on the world in which we appear? Yes, that was the answer atheist physicists gave prior to the multiverse idea. However it still seemed improbable that all those factors lined up to allow life. With the multiverse idea arriving on the scene they were able to bring in probability, one universe in 100,000 that allowed for life seemed more probable than one in one.
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Post by enigma on Aug 7, 2014 21:46:26 GMT -5
You see it as a coincidence that in all the multiverses life just happens to appear in ours? Where else could we appear but on the world in which we appear? Yes, that was the answer atheist physicists gave prior to the multiverse idea. However it still seemed improbable that all those factors lined up to allow life. With the multiverse idea arriving on the scene they were able to bring in probability, one universe in 100,000 that allowed for life seemed more probable than one in one.
sdpI'm saying that if life were to appear at all, there always was 100% probability that life would appear on our world. As for the probability of life appearing at all, it only seems improbable when one observes what appears to be an effect driven by specific causes. Ultimately, there is only consciousness as a cause. The apparent causes did not precede the apparent effect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 2:01:50 GMT -5
Precisely. How, is that perfection happening?
Yeah I've talked the Rare Earth talk with friends before. It is incredible. An inch either way and none of this is happening.
Did you really end that post with My question?
I was affirming, excellent question. sdp Oh, T'anx
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Post by evolver on Aug 16, 2014 13:17:10 GMT -5
Who is asking? Who is listening? Who is answering?
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Post by laughter on Aug 16, 2014 13:40:54 GMT -5
Who is asking? Who is listening? Who is answering? Turn up the reverb and let it play all day! Welcome to the st.org forum evolver.
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 16, 2014 13:46:44 GMT -5
Who is asking? Who is listening? Who is answering? Are you what you think you are, or are you 'that' which does the thinking?
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Post by japhy on Aug 19, 2014 12:05:57 GMT -5
My gradfather is asking himself:
"Why am I still alive?"
He finished school during World War II (in Germany). When he was seventeen he was drafted by Reichsarbeitsdienst (RAD, engl. Reich Labour Service), a paramilitary work service. He served in France (RAD also supported the Armed Forces.), was lucky and got in French captivity. Some of his school friends were not and died.
Today he is 88 years old and friends have died of various diseases. He had an accident this year when he climbed a ladder with a chainsaw and fell down (the chainsaw was not running). He broke his shoulder, a rib punctured his lungs and he broke several vertebrae. I met him two weeks ago. He still can't use his left hand and has to take opiats for the pain, but the most important question for him is: "Why am I still alive?"
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Post by silver on Aug 19, 2014 14:56:45 GMT -5
My gradfather is asking himself: "Why am I still alive?" He finished school during World War II (in Germany). When he was seventeen he was drafted by Reichsarbeitsdienst (RAD, engl. Reich Labour Service), a paramilitary work service. He served in France (RAD also supported the Armed Forces.), was lucky and got in French captivity. Some of his school friends were not and died. Today he is 88 years old and friends have died of various diseases. He had an accident this year when he climbed a ladder with a chainsaw and fell down (the chainsaw was not running). He broke his shoulder, a rib punctured his lungs and he broke several vertebrae. I met him two weeks ago. He still can't use his left hand and has to take opiats for the pain, but the most important question for him is: "Why am I still alive?" To me, it's a beautiful story about your grandfather, japhy, thanks for sharing. It doesn't really matter how old a person is -- they can be asking themselves the same question, depending on the kind of hand life has dealt or their own enquiring mind-set. I ask myself the same question, and quietly wonder if I really have one or two spirit guides / guardians floating around somewhere, somehow.......or maybe it's the part German blood I've got coursing through my veins.
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Post by japhy on Aug 20, 2014 7:16:12 GMT -5
To me, it's a beautiful story about your grandfather, japhy, thanks for sharing. It doesn't really matter how old a person is -- they can be asking themselves the same question, depending on the kind of hand life has dealt or their own enquiring mind-set. I ask myself the same question, and quietly wonder if I really have one or two spirit guides / guardians floating around somewhere, somehow.......or maybe it's the part German blood I've got coursing through my veins. Thank you silver for your kind words . From reading your sober thread I can imagine that you happen to ask yourself the same question. Btw. if you don't mind, keep up the thread, I find it interesting to read, although I don't post there. Yeah in general there is some correlation of the questions asked and the age of the asking person, but there are people who ask for their age unusual questions. Then there are ageless people and every person of course has some questions which do not really "fit" their age. I find it often interesting to talk to older people and as a teenager I sometimes found it easier to have a conversation with adults than with persons of the same age.
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Post by silence on Aug 20, 2014 8:55:17 GMT -5
My gradfather is asking himself: "Why am I still alive?" He finished school during World War II (in Germany). When he was seventeen he was drafted by Reichsarbeitsdienst (RAD, engl. Reich Labour Service), a paramilitary work service. He served in France (RAD also supported the Armed Forces.), was lucky and got in French captivity. Some of his school friends were not and died. Today he is 88 years old and friends have died of various diseases. He had an accident this year when he climbed a ladder with a chainsaw and fell down (the chainsaw was not running). He broke his shoulder, a rib punctured his lungs and he broke several vertebrae. I met him two weeks ago. He still can't use his left hand and has to take opiats for the pain, but the most important question for him is: "Why am I still alive?" It's all relative. This guy might consider your grandfather a youngster and tell him he's still in his glory days. news.yahoo.com/111-old-japan-recognized-oldest-man-065238508.html
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