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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2014 18:56:25 GMT -5
The 'should I exist' question is the other end of the "Things are as they should be" duality stick that he's been swinging around. no, not me. You've never heard me say things are as they should be, all is perfect, etc. I understand that some peeps have a realization that the universe and everything in it is perfect. But as long as the Holocaust remains in the conscience of humans, I'll never share the "all is as it should be" perspective. Sorry, must have been somebody else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 19:32:30 GMT -5
no, not me. You've never heard me say things are as they should be, all is perfect, etc. I understand that some peeps have a realization that the universe and everything in it is perfect. But as long as the Holocaust remains in the conscience of humans, I'll never share the "all is as it should be" perspective. Sorry, must have been somebody else. no worries. I remember reading the conversation but cant remember who it was with.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 22, 2014 11:48:05 GMT -5
5? Meet lil' laffy... Hehe. Wasn't that about the same age when Figs began challenging the theological understanding of her local priest? Yeah, those little ones are dangerous.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 22, 2014 11:50:29 GMT -5
no, not me. You've never heard me say things are as they should be, all is perfect, etc. I understand that some peeps have a realization that the universe and everything in it is perfect. But as long as the Holocaust remains in the conscience of humans, I'll never share the "all is as it should be" perspective. Sorry, must have been somebody else. Rupa?
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Post by enigma on Jul 22, 2014 19:45:04 GMT -5
Sorry, must have been somebody else. Rupa? Don't think so. As I recall, there was an actual conversation that took place regarding the idea that things should be some way, and Rupa doesn't seem to be capable of such.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 15:19:12 GMT -5
How, is this all happening?
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Post by laughter on Aug 6, 2014 21:10:13 GMT -5
How, is this all happening? haphazardly!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 2:45:26 GMT -5
How, is this all happening? haphazardly! That can't be so.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 7, 2014 8:52:58 GMT -5
How, is this all happening? The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours. Of course I don't believe our universe arose by chance. Supreme Ordering Intelligence set up our universe, for a reason, with meaning. Part of the test is finding the meaning, asking, How is all this happening? sdp
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Post by silver on Aug 7, 2014 9:35:19 GMT -5
How, is this all happening? The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours. Of course I don't believe our universe arose by chance. Supreme Ordering Intelligence set up our universe, for a reason, with meaning. Part of the test is finding the meaning, asking, How is all this happening?sdp You mean 'How did all this happen?' Methinks it's that quantum crap, no disrespect intended, and Time is a luxury that everyone has, otherwise I don't think we'd be here. There was a guest on c2c last night that you would've found interesting, about quantum stuff and creation of multi-verses and other interesting stuff that I can't remember now...something about universes being peeled off like bubbles or weird stuff like that. ETA: Oh, here it is, a brief recap of last night's show: In the first half, theoretical physicist, author, and popularizer of science, Dr. Michio Kaku, discussed cutting edge research into the mind, as well as news in cosmology and physics.
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Post by enigma on Aug 7, 2014 13:20:16 GMT -5
How, is this all happening? The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours.You see it as a coincidence that in all the multiverses life just happens to appear in ours? Where else could we appear but on the world in which we appear? I will agree to an Intelligence behind life, but it's all happening now, and there is no setting up or reason or purpose or test. Life is it's own reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 14:22:40 GMT -5
How, is this all happening? The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours. Of course I don't believe our universe arose by chance. Supreme Ordering Intelligence set up our universe, for a reason, with meaning. Part of the test is finding the meaning, asking, How is all this happening? sdp Precisely. How, is that perfection happening?
Yeah I've talked the Rare Earth talk with friends before. It is incredible. An inch either way and none of this is happening.
Did you really end that post with My question?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 14:24:33 GMT -5
The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours.You see it as a coincidence that in all the multiverses life just happens to appear in ours? Where else could we appear but on the world in which we appear? I will agree to an Intelligence behind life, but it's all happening now, and there is no setting up or reason or purpose or test. Life is it's own reason. Are you sure it's behind? Isn't it clearer to say it's within it?
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Post by enigma on Aug 7, 2014 16:55:32 GMT -5
The universe is perfectly formed for life to be able to exist. There are numerous constants in nature that if they were off by even a slight fraction there could be no stars, no solar systems, no life. This is called the Anthropic Principle. Scientists don't have an explanation for why our universe is the way it is, allowing for life. Most scientists consider it not possible that by chance alone all these constants could line up and allow for life to exist, it would be similar to one person winning five billion dollar lotteries. They were very glad, most being atheists, when the many worlds interpretation originated, it gave them an out. They say there are probably millions of other worlds existing with other constants, the vast majority not allowing for life. This allows for the probability that there is at least one universe that chanced to have numerous constants which do allow for life. It just happens to be ours. Of course I don't believe our universe arose by chance. Supreme Ordering Intelligence set up our universe, for a reason, with meaning. Part of the test is finding the meaning, asking, How is all this happening? sdp Precisely. How, is that perfection happening?
Yeah I've talked the Rare Earth talk with friends before. It is incredible. An inch either way and none of this is happening.
Did you really end that post with My question?
Earthlings think themselves to be rare and special, so we create rare specialness.
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Post by enigma on Aug 7, 2014 17:04:42 GMT -5
You see it as a coincidence that in all the multiverses life just happens to appear in ours? Where else could we appear but on the world in which we appear? I will agree to an Intelligence behind life, but it's all happening now, and there is no setting up or reason or purpose or test. Life is it's own reason. Are you sure it's behind? Isn't it clearer to say it's within it? To say Intelligence is within life is to suggest that it is driving the vehicle of form as a means of perception. Consciousness is not subject to form, and the vehicle is already a story about how perception happens. When I say consciousness is behind form, I mean prior to form. Form is within consciousness.
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