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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 13:19:36 GMT -5
troubles will come, and they will pass. -- Ronnie Van Zant (plane crash)
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 22, 2014 17:32:42 GMT -5
Oh, I guess I hadn't read enough into it. I thought you were half jesting with me, er sum'm. In a sense, whoever said that has defined their context. Is it yours and/or are you looming for something a bit 'beyond'? I've nothing to go on that would lend me a guess in the 'beyond' department, so I'm sticking with the guess that when the body dies any capacity for awareness or being or existence also ceases. What's left is just rapidly changing molecules and energy and twisted memories in others and whatever other traces leftover, like the ramblings and ravings of maxdprophet here at ST. So, I guess the majority of the focus here, as far as existence is concerned, is on the bodily/physical, and the functions of said appearance's memory, ramblings, and ravings in an effort to make sense of why creation, of which thoughts are just an aspect, doesn't make sense?
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 22, 2014 17:43:08 GMT -5
What do you mean by this? Like hyper-self-consciousness? Maybe a better way of saying this is, ego has a death grip on holding attention to its self ? Yeah, ignorance is not bliss. I mean, to create a self, identify with it, and then have the self hold itself in a death grip takes a lot of energy and leads, well, nowhere! hehe
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 19:01:10 GMT -5
I've nothing to go on that would lend me a guess in the 'beyond' department, so I'm sticking with the guess that when the body dies any capacity for awareness or being or existence also ceases. What's left is just rapidly changing molecules and energy and twisted memories in others and whatever other traces leftover, like the ramblings and ravings of maxdprophet here at ST. So, I guess the majority of the focus here, as far as existence is concerned, is on the bodily/physical, and the functions of said appearance's memory, ramblings, and ravings in an effort to make sense of why creation, of which thoughts are just an aspect, doesn't make sense? I don't really get your question. I'm in a camp that believes that all this stuff about awakening and realization and enlightenment and such is legit. That there's a fundamental shift that happens whereby one's imaginings of being a separate person, etc. But on the beyond, on oneness, and any of those things that might result in a mind being informed by realization, I just have no clue, nothing to go on. I don't see what I understand as awakening or truth realization as incompatible with awareness dieing with the body either. This is not a popular opinion around here.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 23, 2014 9:07:28 GMT -5
So, I guess the majority of the focus here, as far as existence is concerned, is on the bodily/physical, and the functions of said appearance's memory, ramblings, and ravings in an effort to make sense of why creation, of which thoughts are just an aspect, doesn't make sense? I don't really get your question. I'm in a camp that believes that all this stuff about awakening and realization and enlightenment and such is legit. That there's a fundamental shift that happens whereby one's imaginings of being a separate person, etc. But on the beyond, on oneness, and any of those things that might result in a mind being informed by realization, I just have no clue, nothing to go on. I don't see what I understand as awakening or truth realization as incompatible with awareness dieing with the body either. This is not a popular opinion around here. When your mind-body dies, does awareness actually cease to be? Seems hard to be sure from the conditioned mind's perspective, eh? Are you more interested in "bringing the search down into" the level of mind, or actually seeing from "above", as the mind-body within awareness? Yes, the mind has no clue, nothing to go on, and yet there's often an unconscious identification with it, and the subsequent unconscious feeling of not being whole/real/one. See that. See how it makes "someone" think and feel like they "have to" do something, search for what's missing, or maybe push rocks up hills over and over and over to realize. Look around, look within, and see the game for what It Is. From one side of the same coin, the mind-body story can all look quite tragic. There are fear-based desires being pursued through a mind uninformed of Truth, giving rise to suffering. From the other side of the same coin, it can look a bit more comic, and there's What Is, in which the whole story is happening in awareness, what you are. Mind is looking for and imagining something to make it all understandable, and getting a little whackier as it goes down the rabbit hole, while no thing is informing of the Peace "beyond" that understanding. With which do you identify?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:42:25 GMT -5
I don't really get your question. I'm in a camp that believes that all this stuff about awakening and realization and enlightenment and such is legit. That there's a fundamental shift that happens whereby one's imaginings of being a separate person, etc. But on the beyond, on oneness, and any of those things that might result in a mind being informed by realization, I just have no clue, nothing to go on. I don't see what I understand as awakening or truth realization as incompatible with awareness dieing with the body either. This is not a popular opinion around here. When your mind-body dies, does awareness actually cease to be? Seems hard to be sure from the conditioned mind's perspective, eh? I don't really believe that anyone knows what happens when the body/mind dies. I'm skeptical of claims about 'the beyond' and such. I allow for 'mind informed by realization' to conclude otherwise but this mind ain't there. Are you more interested in "bringing the search down into" the level of mind, or actually seeing from "above", as the mind-body within awareness? I prefer the 'step back' perspective. Yes, the mind has no clue, nothing to go on, and yet there's often an unconscious identification with it, and the subsequent unconscious feeling of not being whole/real/one. See that. See how it makes "someone" think and feel like they "have to" do something, search for what's missing, or maybe push rocks up hills over and over and over to realize. Look around, look within, and see the game for what It Is. Check. FWIW, the pushing rocks up hills over and over as analagous to seeking is not how I understand Camus' take on the myth. He's not talking about seeking he's talking about living in Peace, equanimity, despite the appearances. There is a fundamental love of life for all eternity and Sisyphus is grooving on that. From one side of the same coin, the mind-body story can all look quite tragic. There are fear-based desires being pursued through a mind uninformed of Truth, giving rise to suffering. From the other side of the same coin, it can look a bit more comic, and there's What Is, in which the whole story is happening in awareness, what you are. The latter is how I understand Camus. Mind is looking for and imagining something to make it all understandable, and getting a little whackier as it goes down the rabbit hole, while no thing is informing of the Peace "beyond" that understanding. With which do you identify? I've been around the block enough to not have any faith in mind understanding anything fundamental, especially regarding unbounded infinite pure absolute potentiality or howeveryouwannasayit. I shy from the identity question too. There's more just acknowledging a seemingly unchanging stillness/silence/presence. Nothing much fancier than that. Much of my banter here is just wondering why folks speak of fancier things since I don't really have any of those things naturally arising.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2014 18:02:43 GMT -5
When your mind-body dies, does awareness actually cease to be? Seems hard to be sure from the conditioned mind's perspective, eh? I don't really believe that anyone knows what happens when the body/mind dies. I'm skeptical of claims about 'the beyond' and such. I allow for 'mind informed by realization' to conclude otherwise but this mind ain't there. Right, no one knows what happens after death of the body. And mind can only imagine contexts, so that is really all that "beyond" is pointing to. Are you more interested in "bringing the search down into" the level of mind, or actually seeing from "above", as the mind-body within awareness? I prefer the 'step back' perspective.[/quote] Why not? How does that work, just backing up all the way until <oooohhhh>? Yes, the mind has no clue, nothing to go on, and yet there's often an unconscious identification with it, and the subsequent unconscious feeling of not being whole/real/one. See that. See how it makes "someone" think and feel like they "have to" do something, search for what's missing, or maybe push rocks up hills over and over and over to realize. Look around, look within, and see the game for what It Is. Check. FWIW, the pushing rocks up hills over and over as analagous to seeking is not how I understand Camus' take on the myth. He's not talking about seeking he's talking about living in Peace, equanimity, despite the appearances. There is a fundamental love of life for all eternity and Sisyphus is grooving on that.[/quote] I have typically just played with the original as a more satirical visual of a certain states of affairs. I never really gave much attention to what Camus said about it. From one side of the same coin, the mind-body story can all look quite tragic. There are fear-based desires being pursued through a mind uninformed of Truth, giving rise to suffering. From the other side of the same coin, it can look a bit more comic, and there's What Is, in which the whole story is happening in awareness, what you are. The latter is how I understand Camus.[/quote] Oh. Cool. AM. Mind is looking for and imagining something to make it all understandable, and getting a little whackier as it goes down the rabbit hole, while no thing is informing of the Peace "beyond" that understanding. With which do you identify? I've been around the block enough to not have any faith in mind understanding anything fundamental, especially regarding unbounded infinite pure absolute potentiality or howeveryouwannasayit. I shy from the identity question too. There's more just acknowledging a seemingly unchanging stillness/silence/presence. Nothing much fancier than that. Much of my banter here is just wondering why folks speak of fancier things since I don't really have any of those things naturally arising. [/quote] Sounds like you're on to no thing. Yeah, fancy things can happen out front, but essentially stillness/silence/presence... AM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:48:33 GMT -5
The one who allegedly has had a religious experience gets to define what that is. Apart from that, a religious experience probably has to do with communicating with the man upstairs, since that man is at the foundation of almost all religions, which describes separation rather than oneness. IOW, a religious experience likely doesn't interfere with the separate identity. I say the number is 99.95634% It is never going to be easy for anyone to fly across the Atlantic and disprove your perspective. America is a very God orientated continent and I applaud yours and many others work here, to explore and explain, and to redraw the language of the complete agreement, at the Root of all World Religions.
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Post by enigma on Jul 27, 2014 0:40:40 GMT -5
The one who allegedly has had a religious experience gets to define what that is. Apart from that, a religious experience probably has to do with communicating with the man upstairs, since that man is at the foundation of almost all religions, which describes separation rather than oneness. IOW, a religious experience likely doesn't interfere with the separate identity. I say the number is 99.95634% It is never going to be easy for anyone to fly across the Atlantic and disprove your perspective. America is a very God orientated continent and I applaud yours and many others work here, to explore and explain, and to redraw the language of the complete agreement, at the Root of all World Religions. I'll be sure to visit the Vatican on my trip across the Atlantic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:11:50 GMT -5
It is never going to be easy for anyone to fly across the Atlantic and disprove your perspective. America is a very God orientated continent and I applaud yours and many others work here, to explore and explain, and to redraw the language of the complete agreement, at the Root of all World Religions. I'll be sure to visit the Vatican on my trip across the Atlantic. I'm sure Mecca would be a welcome sight for you.
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Post by enigma on Jul 27, 2014 17:16:51 GMT -5
I'll be sure to visit the Vatican on my trip across the Atlantic. I'm sure Mecca would be a welcome sight for you. Well, a familiar personal God theology at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 20:59:01 GMT -5
to go back into the markets would be suicide having been given notice that I exhibit difficult antisocial behaviour; the Police have been notified. So, I'm writing a song instead, which I hope to perform in front of the markets entrance. This morning I awoke grooving to a deep base rhythm, and got a few words happening. Just heard of a song writers group meeting close-by, meeting 2nd Aug. Rather than commit suicide, I choose (these days) to live-a-little-longer. Attachments:
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 28, 2014 8:21:27 GMT -5
to go back into the markets would be suicide having been given notice that I exhibit difficult antisocial behaviour; the Police have been notified. So, I'm writing a song instead, which I hope to perform in front of the markets entrance. This morning I awoke grooving to a deep base rhythm, and got a few words happening. Just heard of a song writers group meeting close-by, meeting 2nd Aug. Rather than commit suicide, I choose (these days) to live-a-little-longer.The father and grandfather of Walker Percy the great medical non-doctoring doctor/Catholic/writer/novelist/philosopher/semioticist, both committed suicide. He inherited their more than melancholy nature and periodically faced his own "demons", but eventually, from what he calls the non-(but still contemplating)suicide, became what he called an ex-suicide. "You can elect suicide, but you decide not to. What happens? All at once, you are dispensed. Why not live, instead of dying? You are free to do so. You are like a prisoner released from the cell of his life. ........Are you not free for the first time in your life to consider the folly of man, the most absurd of all species, to contemplate the comic mystery of your own existence? ........lost in the cosmos and no news how you got into such a fix or how to get out......... ...an ex-suicide leaving his house for work at 8:00 on an ordinary morning...opens his front door, sits down on the steps and laughs. Since he has the option of being dead, he has nothing to lose by being alive. It is good to be alive. He goes to work because he doesn't have to". Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book (you will ever need), 1983 Walker Percy pgs 80,81 sdp, ex-suicide
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 23:09:54 GMT -5
to go back into the markets would be suicide having been given notice that I exhibit difficult antisocial behaviour; the Police have been notified. So, I'm writing a song instead, which I hope to perform in front of the markets entrance. This morning I awoke grooving to a deep base rhythm, and got a few words happening. Just heard of a song writers group meeting close-by, meeting 2nd Aug. Rather than commit suicide, I choose (these days) to live-a-little-longer.The father and grandfather of Walker Percy the great medical non-doctoring doctor/Catholic/writer/novelist/philosopher/semioticist, both committed suicide. He inherited their more than melancholy nature and periodically faced his own "demons", but eventually, from what he calls the non-(but still contemplating)suicide, became what he called an ex-suicide. "You can elect suicide, but you decide not to. What happens? All at once, you are dispensed. Why not live, instead of dying? You are free to do so. You are like a prisoner released from the cell of his life. ........Are you not free for the first time in your life to consider the folly of man, the most absurd of all species, to contemplate the comic mystery of your own existence? ........lost in the cosmos and no news how you got into such a fix or how to get out......... ...an ex-suicide leaving his house for work at 8:00 on an ordinary morning...opens his front door, sits down on the steps and laughs. Since he has the option of being dead, he has nothing to lose by being alive. It is good to be alive. He goes to work because he doesn't have to". Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book (you will ever need), 1983 Walker Percy pgs 80,81 sdp, ex-suicide Thats it... one becomes un-touchable. Not like this... www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/25/-sp-rupert-murdoch-passive-power-hack-attack-nick-davies?CMP=soc_567which is a good read. Thank you sdp.
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Post by sunshine on Aug 1, 2014 8:09:45 GMT -5
to go back into the markets would be suicide having been given notice that I exhibit difficult antisocial behaviour; the Police have been notified. So, I'm writing a song instead, which I hope to perform in front of the markets entrance. This morning I awoke grooving to a deep base rhythm, and got a few words happening. Just heard of a song writers group meeting close-by, meeting 2nd Aug. Rather than commit suicide, I choose (these days) to live-a-little-longer.The father and grandfather of Walker Percy the great medical non-doctoring doctor/Catholic/writer/novelist/philosopher/semioticist, both committed suicide. He inherited their more than melancholy nature and periodically faced his own "demons", but eventually, from what he calls the non-(but still contemplating)suicide, became what he called an ex-suicide. "You can elect suicide, but yo What happens? All at once, you are dispensed. Why not live, instead of dying? You are u decide not to.free to do so. You are like a prisoner released from the cell of his life. ........Are you not free for the first time in your life to consider the folly of man, the most absurd of all species, to contemplate the comic mystery of your own existence? ........lost in the cosmos and no news how you got into such a fix or how to get out......... ...an ex-suicide leaving his house for work at 8:00 on an ordinary morning...opens his front door, sits down on the steps and laughs. Since he has the option of being dead, he has nothing to lose by being alive. It is good to be alive. He goes to work because he doesn't have to". Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book (you will ever need), 1983 Walker Percy pgs 80,81 sdp, ex-suicide you can elect etc...
it is not that easy...the human body is very resilient...i looked for a dignified way to end my life many times...it is not out there...jumping before a train or off a building...well one needs total desperation for that...or,as indian farmers now do frequently, drink pesticide because Monsanto seeds turn out to be total crap... buy some herion on the market..but if you´re not an expert, how you know you have the proper overdose and wont wake up a junkie? or turn out injecting some stuff that makes you suffer terribly...? there should be a possibility for everybody, say over 35 years of age, to get a pill, matching your genetic code so it works for YOU only, (wont work to get rid of yer mother in law...) to get out of life, this slavery your parents threw you into without asking you anything... yes, just having the option makes it a lot easier...though i think i wouldnt be around if the option had been out there.And who´s to judge if that is a good or abad thing?I hate the christian hypocrisy, here in portugal it is a crime to commit suicide lol...what are they gonna do..throw you in jail?? pathetic... i once tried with car exhaust...it was a beautiful day,and i basically was curious, not desperate, a little bored with my life...i swallowed a large amount of grass, drank a bottle of red wine to fall asleep, and switched on the engine... two hours later i woke up with a splitting headache...turns out unleaded gasoline doesnt work very well...but i was totally detached from everything..serenity...a wonderful experience really...the headache soon subsided and i went on living, feeling really free and floating for a few days...gradually ´´life´´ kicked in again... i am beyond all that now...nirvana makes it easy to just escape...even if some folk give me a really hard time...if i fall,from really high, i know that just 1 meter before i hit the ground, there is an invisible safety net...that has to do with my aim in life... one needs an aim in life, alfio, figure out what you want to ´´achieve´´---within reasonable limits...and stick with it,until you find a better aim...but be aware that your previous aim will still want to realise itself...so try undo it...i still suffer from some minor ´´aims´´--like wanting to reach 500.000 miles with my new Volkswagen 14 years ago...it keeps me poor so i cant buy even a second hand one that actually doesnt break down every few weeks... (got to 350.000 miles now...) cheers
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