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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 9:57:57 GMT -5
I wonder if there is another explanation for the shocks. Ignoring the one person who repetitively shocked himself, could it be mere curiosity for the others? Seems like it could have been designed better. Seems to have been designed to underscore a KIDS THESE DAYS opinion -- addicted to gadgetry. More pinball machine grumbling. What if they had exposed a group to basic meditation instructions?
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Post by Portto on Jul 4, 2014 10:35:08 GMT -5
Hey, Portto, long time no see. Shocking article! Seems to me most folks are trying to avoid on several levels of thought/feeling. Consciously, we want to avoid thinking about our problems and frustrations, but they're 'cooking' in the background nonetheless, and so it requires a purposeful distraction to keep the thoughts at bay. To stop doing for a while is to risk bringing those thoughts to the surface. On an unconscious level, the thoughts can be even more foreboding. Repressed thoughts and feelings can become very powerful and intimidating, and yet their unconscious nature prevents us from even being consciously aware of what we're avoiding, and so we might conclude (and report to researchers) that we're simply bored. When we say we want peace, we mean peace of mind, and to be alone with one's un-peaceful mind is not conducive to peace of mind. When the outside world becomes as oppressive as our internal world, there's now way to escape. That may be where spirituality enters the picture for lots of folks. Hey Enigma, It's always good to hear your insights into the human mind Mind can be such a storm! Hmmm... Is the article more or less shocking than electric shocks? As you're saying, I was also thinking that spirituality might enter the picture when people have to spend time alone with their thoughts. So, those who don't want to "attend the actual" could instead "attend only the thoughts."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 10:50:41 GMT -5
Hey, Portto, long time no see. Shocking article! Seems to me most folks are trying to avoid on several levels of thought/feeling. Consciously, we want to avoid thinking about our problems and frustrations, but they're 'cooking' in the background nonetheless, and so it requires a purposeful distraction to keep the thoughts at bay. To stop doing for a while is to risk bringing those thoughts to the surface. On an unconscious level, the thoughts can be even more foreboding. Repressed thoughts and feelings can become very powerful and intimidating, and yet their unconscious nature prevents us from even being consciously aware of what we're avoiding, and so we might conclude (and report to researchers) that we're simply bored. When we say we want peace, we mean peace of mind, and to be alone with one's un-peaceful mind is not conducive to peace of mind. When the outside world becomes as oppressive as our internal world, there's now way to escape. That may be where spirituality enters the picture for lots of folks. Hey Enigma, It's always good to hear your insights into the human mind Mind can be such a storm! Hmmm... Is the article more or less shocking than electric shocks? As you're saying, I was also thinking that spirituality might enter the picture when people have to spend time alone with their thoughts. So, those who don't want to "attend the actual" could instead "attend only the thoughts." ATA-(A-T)?
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Post by enigma on Jul 4, 2014 11:17:25 GMT -5
I wonder if there is another explanation for the shocks. Ignoring the one person who repetitively shocked himself, could it be mere curiosity for the others? Yeah, could be. The thing to do would be for the researchers to let them experience the shocks before the experiment, to get that out of the way, but we don't know if they did. Also, how was the experiment presented to the subjects? If they were told they wanted to find out how pitifully bored they were with their own thoughts, maybe nobody would shock themselves. If they were led to believe they might be boring and unadventurous, most may shock themselves.
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Post by enigma on Jul 4, 2014 11:23:12 GMT -5
I wonder if there is another explanation for the shocks. Ignoring the one person who repetitively shocked himself, could it be mere curiosity for the others? Being an electrician, mostly formerly, I have been shocked probably over 100 times over 33 years, from a tiny tingle to only once, an, the thought of, "I'm going to die" shock (that one probably lasted less than a second, gravity saved me, very nasty...eliciting a nasty grunt). No shock begs to be repeated.......that's why I thought the OP very funny.......but sadly mostly true in all probability. sdp I used to test electric fences with my finger. Not pleasant but also not particularly dangerous with a little care. The experiment was no doubt done with a high E, low I device. Teenagers, especially, seem to get a kick out of such things.
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Post by enigma on Jul 4, 2014 11:47:48 GMT -5
Hey, Portto, long time no see. Shocking article! Seems to me most folks are trying to avoid on several levels of thought/feeling. Consciously, we want to avoid thinking about our problems and frustrations, but they're 'cooking' in the background nonetheless, and so it requires a purposeful distraction to keep the thoughts at bay. To stop doing for a while is to risk bringing those thoughts to the surface. On an unconscious level, the thoughts can be even more foreboding. Repressed thoughts and feelings can become very powerful and intimidating, and yet their unconscious nature prevents us from even being consciously aware of what we're avoiding, and so we might conclude (and report to researchers) that we're simply bored. When we say we want peace, we mean peace of mind, and to be alone with one's un-peaceful mind is not conducive to peace of mind. When the outside world becomes as oppressive as our internal world, there's now way to escape. That may be where spirituality enters the picture for lots of folks. Hey Enigma, It's always good to hear your insights into the human mind Mind can be such a storm! Hmmm... Is the article more or less shocking than electric shocks? As you're saying, I was also thinking that spirituality might enter the picture when people have to spend time alone with their thoughts. So, those who don't want to "attend the actual" could instead "attend only the thoughts."Yes, for many, attending the thoughts may be more challenging than attending the actual. These peeps don't enjoy the experience of being alone with their thoughts and feelings, and have structured their lives to avoid that as much as possible. It's true that 'what you resist persists' because thoughts don't begin at the conscious level of resistance and can't be stopped from there. If everything is allowed full expression, then unwanted thoughts and feelings run their course and dissipate. (This is the basis of death awareness) For most, that's the path to a silent mind rather than some meditative practice that seeks to control thoughts. We could say the body/mind is simply seeking to maintain health and restore equilibrium. Instead, most folks go unconscious in an attempt to avoid the pain, thereby making themselves crazy and physically ill.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 4, 2014 11:52:57 GMT -5
Being an electrician, mostly formerly, I have been shocked probably over 100 times over 33 years, from a tiny tingle to only once, an, the thought of, "I'm going to die" shock (that one probably lasted less than a second, gravity saved me, very nasty...eliciting a nasty grunt). No shock begs to be repeated.......that's why I thought the OP very funny.......but sadly mostly true in all probability. sdp I used to test electric fences with my finger. Not pleasant but also not particularly dangerous with a little care. The experiment was no doubt done with a high E, low I device. Teenagers, especially, seem to get a kick out of such things. My first shock occurred when I was about 14. I was working for my uncle who had a dairy farm. Having two girls and no sons he set up the farm for one-man operation, milking two cows at a time. Before milking the cows ate silage (corn) on a poured concrete feeding pin. The concrete was for easy-cleaning of the daily waste, future manure. My uncle had a blade on the back of the tractor for such daily waste removal. On this particular day I was standing on the blade as added weight for easier moving of the........"stuff", hands on the back of Uncle's seat. Uncle Bruce pulled the front of the tractor up against the silo, blade that was up, put down. When the blade hit the concrete, pain immediately commenced throughout my body, I realized immediately, although never having experienced before, from electricity. I knew the pain began with the blade hitting the concrete, but I could not move my body, hands or feet......simultaneously shouting at my uncle. He surmised my peril and raised the blade thus ending the shocking experience. We figured out what had happened........although I don't recall specifically my uncle laughing, it would not have been outside his character to do so........ Blade up, tractor on rubber tires, uncle pulled into the electric fence at the edge of the silo, all OK. Putting the blade down on to the concrete grounded me, making me the path for electricity to flow, to ground. Not enough to hurt me or the cows, but enough to keep them fenced...in.....and enough to create, in me, this vivid memory....... sdp
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Post by zendancer on Jul 4, 2014 13:04:11 GMT -5
I wonder if there is another explanation for the shocks. Ignoring the one person who repetitively shocked himself, could it be mere curiosity for the others? Being an electrician, mostly formerly, I have been shocked probably over 100 times over 33 years, from a tiny tingle to only once, an, the thought of, "I'm going to die" shock (that one probably lasted less than a second, gravity saved me, very nasty...eliciting a nasty grunt). No shock begs to be repeated.......that's why I thought the OP very funny.......but sadly mostly true in all probability. sdp Electrical shocks are another event to which people react/respond quite differently. I once knew an electrician who enjoyed putting his fingers in a live light socket and then reaching out and shocking people. He thought it was funny, but no one else did. He told me that he had never been bothered by electricity flowing through his body and that it was even mildly enjoyable. Go figure. Like you, SDP, I've been shocked in many different ways with many different voltages and amps--everything from mild shocks while building experimental electronic stuff to getting knocked on my a** by a 25,000 volt transformer hooked to a spark gap. I'm so sensitized to electricity now that I can barely tolerate the kind of mild shocks that one gets in the winter from sliding across a car seat (which builds up static electricity) and then getting grounded. I can't imagine choosing to get shocked, but apparently many people do not find mild shocks so objectionable.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 4, 2014 19:57:33 GMT -5
Being an electrician, mostly formerly, I have been shocked probably over 100 times over 33 years, from a tiny tingle to only once, an, the thought of, "I'm going to die" shock (that one probably lasted less than a second, gravity saved me, very nasty...eliciting a nasty grunt). No shock begs to be repeated.......that's why I thought the OP very funny.......but sadly mostly true in all probability. sdp Electrical shocks are another event to which people react/respond quite differently. I once knew an electrician who enjoyed putting his fingers in a live light socket and then reaching out and shocking people. He thought it was funny, but no one else did. He told me that he had never been bothered by electricity flowing through his body and that it was even mildly enjoyable. Go figure. Like you, SDP, I've been shocked in many different ways with many different voltages and amps--everything from mild shocks while building experimental electronic stuff to getting knocked on my a** by a 25,000 volt transformer hooked to a spark gap. I'm so sensitized to electricity now that I can barely tolerate the kind of mild shocks that one gets in the winter from sliding across a car seat (which builds up static electricity) and then getting grounded. I can't imagine choosing to get shocked, but apparently many people do not find mild shocks so objectionable. Yea.....my boss.....former boss, didn't mind getting shocked, he even thought a shock now and then was good for your health. He got this from his brother-in-law who trained him who also believed the same. Before being an electrician I lived in Colorado for eight months.....during the winter. For a while I worked delivering office furniture. Every time I walked across a room and touched a doorknob I got a shock, from static electricity, I presume from much less humidity than in NC. It was quite annoying, you could even see sparks fly.
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