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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 22, 2014 18:27:05 GMT -5
From the POV of this existence, I see that some who choose to seek discover that what was sought was here all along, and in the discovery cry deep tears of laughter, appreciation and gratitude. Would such a thing be possible if the one seeking had been created perfected? I don't see how you can appreciate something if you've never experienced what seemed to be having been without it, illusion or no. Oh, okay. Sure, we could say freedom could not be appreciated unless there was the experience of not being free. There doesn't seem to be a plan for that, but rather there seems to be an interest in limitation. There are innumerable experiences that can only come out of a sense of being bound. Essentially, that interest must be exhausted. You mean that up to this point in your experience and understanding you have seen no such plan? Could that simply mean nothing more than perhaps you just haven't seen one yet?
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Post by enigma on Jun 22, 2014 21:50:48 GMT -5
Oh, okay. Sure, we could say freedom could not be appreciated unless there was the experience of not being free. There doesn't seem to be a plan for that, but rather there seems to be an interest in limitation. There are innumerable experiences that can only come out of a sense of being bound. Essentially, that interest must be exhausted. You mean that up to this point in your experience and understanding you have seen no such plan? Could that simply mean nothing more than perhaps you just haven't seen one yet? I see that there is no planner.
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Post by laughter on Jun 22, 2014 22:13:32 GMT -5
You mean that up to this point in your experience and understanding you have seen no such plan? Could that simply mean nothing more than perhaps you just haven't seen one yet? I see that there is no planner. And the absence of a plan is not the presence of randomness. .. so slippery for the mind ..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 22:39:15 GMT -5
A child, in order to really love and really appreciation a Parent, can not be programmed, forced or manipulated into giving love and appreciation, because then it would not have been freely offered and therefore would not be real. It may be me, but it seems that Source made a way for us to fall away and then to "choose" to return Home, to Him, Who like in the story of the returning prodigal son, comes to us with open arms, joy and blessings, while we are yet still far from Home. And I think we get a gold ring and a roast suckling pig or something too the child is love and as an adult we come to see that is true if we are looking to shed the untruths about what we think we might be. Thus, as an adult we come to know love as Oneself which is often appreciated as presence by onlookers. My guess is that returning home is simply shedding years of conditioning and beliefs, that which the mind collects, thinking thought is precious and might be oneday usefull (in the future) if one is going to enter into philosophical conversations or defend themselves from accusations. Here, take this pig and be happy. Attachments:
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Post by enigma on Jun 22, 2014 23:43:26 GMT -5
I see that there is no planner. And the absence of a plan is not the presence of randomness. .. so slippery for the mind .. Right on, dude. *Makes secret club hand gesture* Creation is driven by impersonal intelligence from within the creation itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 0:44:22 GMT -5
I see that there is no planner. And the absence of a plan is not the presence of randomness. .. so slippery for the mind .. yeah, that's a hard one to understand. Seems pretty doggone random!
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Post by enigma on Jun 23, 2014 2:31:59 GMT -5
And the absence of a plan is not the presence of randomness. .. so slippery for the mind .. yeah, that's a hard one to understand. Seems pretty doggone random! I guess you're looking at events and not creation? Cuz creation has a remarkable and complex order. There's a false separation between creation and the events that occur involving creation. They are the same. Creation and perception are the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 2:52:12 GMT -5
yeah, that's a hard one to understand. Seems pretty doggone random! I guess you're looking at events and not creation? Cuz creation has a remarkable and complex order. There's a false separation between creation and the events that occur involving creation. They are the same. Creation and perception are the same. yes, I was thinking of events. School shootings came to mind.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 23, 2014 5:26:22 GMT -5
You mean that up to this point in your experience and understanding you have seen no such plan? Could that simply mean nothing more than perhaps you just haven't seen one yet? I see that there is no planner. Do you exclude the possibility that that view could change?
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 23, 2014 5:28:47 GMT -5
A child, in order to really love and really appreciation a Parent, can not be programmed, forced or manipulated into giving love and appreciation, because then it would not have been freely offered and therefore would not be real. It may be me, but it seems that Source made a way for us to fall away and then to "choose" to return Home, to Him, Who like in the story of the returning prodigal son, comes to us with open arms, joy and blessings, while we are yet still far from Home. And I think we get a gold ring and a roast suckling pig or something too the child is love and as an adult we come to see that is true if we are looking to shed the untruths about what we think we might be. Thus, as an adult we come to know love as Oneself which is often appreciated as presence by onlookers. My guess is that returning home is simply shedding years of conditioning and beliefs, that which the mind collects, thinking thought is precious and might be oneday usefull (in the future) if one is going to enter into philosophical conversations or defend themselves from accusations. Here, take this pig and be happy. Thank you. But don't you think they're better cooked?
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Post by laughter on Jun 23, 2014 8:34:00 GMT -5
And the absence of a plan is not the presence of randomness. .. so slippery for the mind .. yeah, that's a hard one to understand. Seems pretty doggone random! Who is it that wants to understand it?
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Post by laughter on Jun 23, 2014 8:35:50 GMT -5
And the absence of a plan is not the presence of randomness. .. so slippery for the mind .. Right on, dude. *Makes secret club hand gesture* Creation is driven by impersonal intelligence from within the creation itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 8:37:38 GMT -5
yeah, that's a hard one to understand. Seems pretty doggone random! Who is it that wants to understand it? me
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Post by laughter on Jun 23, 2014 8:44:46 GMT -5
yeah, that's a hard one to understand. Seems pretty doggone random! I guess you're looking at events and not creation? Cuz creation has a remarkable and complex order. There's a false separation between creation and the events that occur involving creation. They are the same. Creation and perception are the same. That order, however, is the mind making meaning of appearances.
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Post by laughter on Jun 23, 2014 8:47:14 GMT -5
Who is it that wants to understand it? me Find out what that is and then the lack of mutual exclusivity between a planned reality and a random reality will be clear. Now, I didn't say that it would make sense, just that it will be clear. Only the mind looks for answers in the mind.
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