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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 16:59:26 GMT -5
If life is anything that you can get away with, then it stands to reason that you should try to push the envelope.. don't refrain from indulgence because of some moral imperative you hold as opinion.. the line between indulgence and over-indulgence is one of the deepest truths.. the OP asked a question about feeling good, I'm saying it's not about feeling good, sure try to feel as good as you can all the time, but always of more fundamental importance is how you're feeling good and / or what you're feeling good about.. people tend to see how they 'feel' in a given situation and thereby discern how the situation fits into their system of value judgments, if it's a 'good' situation, a 'healthy' situation, an 'unhealthy' situation, etc.. then they get into another situation and see how they feel.. but basing your discernment of the character of the situation you're in based on how it makes you feel is a pivotal error.. what's important is the manner and mechanism by which your feeling changes from one thing to another, what it is not in the external situations but rather in your internal makeup which causes change in your perspective and what that change means not in terms of externalities but in terms of a self-referential context of internal experience.. you aren't xing adrift on a sea of change so it's imperative to fully discern how *you* change *yourself*.. Whats the prime imperative, and who made it so?
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Post by Reefs on May 12, 2014 21:53:43 GMT -5
If life is anything that you can get away with, then it stands to reason that you should try to push the envelope.. don't refrain from indulgence because of some moral imperative you hold as opinion.. the line between indulgence and over-indulgence is one of the deepest truths.. the OP asked a question about feeling good, I'm saying it's not about feeling good, sure try to feel as good as you can all the time, but always of more fundamental importance is how you're feeling good and / or what you're feeling good about.. people tend to see how they 'feel' in a given situation and thereby discern how the situation fits into their system of value judgments, if it's a 'good' situation, a 'healthy' situation, an 'unhealthy' situation, etc.. then they get into another situation and see how they feel.. but basing your discernment of the character of the situation you're in based on how it makes you feel is a pivotal error.. what's important is the manner and mechanism by which your feeling changes from one thing to another, what it is not in the external situations but rather in your internal makeup which causes change in your perspective and what that change means not in terms of externalities but in terms of a self-referential context of internal experience.. you aren't xing adrift on a sea of change so it's imperative to fully discern how *you* change *yourself*.. It seems to me that most are not really gravitating toward what feels good but rather try to stay away from what feels bad.
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Post by Ishtahota on May 12, 2014 22:31:28 GMT -5
The fully awakened states of consciousness feel like doing LSD, or ecstasy. The kundalini coming up can also give you an orgasm 10 to 20 times the normal one and it can also last for a half an hour to an hour long. There are just so many things to experience while on a spiritual journey. The heart opening up has a strong feeling all of its own. Connecting to the web of consciousness out in nature is an awesome feeling also. There is just so much.
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Post by silver on May 12, 2014 23:00:58 GMT -5
The fully awakened states of consciousness feel like doing LSD, or ecstasy. The kundalini coming up can also give you an orgasm 10 to 20 times the normal one and it can also last for a half an hour to an hour long. There are just so many things to experience while on a spiritual journey. The heart opening up has a strong feeling all of its own. Connecting to the web of consciousness out in nature is an awesome feeling also. There is just so much. Would that be under the heading of bragging or complaining? I dunno...for some reason, it reminds me of what a wizened old horsewoman told me about my horse: he's got more power than you'll ever need.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 23:08:31 GMT -5
I don't recall this subject coming up here, but I was wondering if anyone else gets actual pleasure from meditation or the various forms of interior practice discussed here? I don't really drink, but I have on occasion, enough to make a comparison. So it's like a high but is more subtle than an alcohol buzz. I presume the body is creating endorphins. Benefits, no hangover, no withdrawal, doesn't cost anything. sdp check your meditation posture from time to time to be certain you are above the center of gravity and not below it sdp.
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Post by laughter on May 12, 2014 23:34:51 GMT -5
It's an issue of contrast. You're constantly tense and in pain and then you relax. It looks like pleasure but it is nothing more than the return of a properly functioning body unimpeded by insanity, temporarily. Yes, the high is about relief. Evil musketeers saying bad things about meditating! Relief? Hell ya'! .. if I'd realized about that fool that got lost I woulda' pushed him out an airplane without a chute years ago!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 0:03:50 GMT -5
sometimes, sitting in the zendo my I is overcome by sexual thought, some grandious that come freshly charged, thoughts that have yet to resemble earlier had thoughts on the said topic of sex, so I wont go there... But yes, meditation can be highly arousing should one attune their attention and consider their life force with a Koan such as, "Where did I come from?"
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Post by Reefs on May 13, 2014 3:12:31 GMT -5
Yes, the high is about relief. Evil musketeers saying bad things about meditating! Relief? Hell ya'! .. if I'd realized about that fool that got lost I woulda' pushed him out an airplane without a chute years ago! Un mouseketeer est brave!
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Post by Ishtahota on May 13, 2014 7:23:00 GMT -5
The fully awakened states of consciousness feel like doing LSD, or ecstasy. The kundalini coming up can also give you an orgasm 10 to 20 times the normal one and it can also last for a half an hour to an hour long. There are just so many things to experience while on a spiritual journey. The heart opening up has a strong feeling all of its own. Connecting to the web of consciousness out in nature is an awesome feeling also. There is just so much. Would that be under the heading of bragging or complaining? I dunno...for some reason, it reminds me of what a wizened old horsewoman told me about my horse: he's got more power than you'll ever need. People just do not realize just how intense all of this can get when you start to really open up. And it is not just one experience that you can have. It is many different ones. I work with people all of the time that think they have had an experience and then one day they really do have one and they flip out because it is so intense. We as human beings are way more then we have ever dreamed. I popped open in the lodge once and the other people in there with me also popped open. It scared the hell out of them and we never saw them again.
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Post by silver on May 13, 2014 10:23:42 GMT -5
Would that be under the heading of bragging or complaining? I dunno...for some reason, it reminds me of what a wizened old horsewoman told me about my horse: he's got more power than you'll ever need. People just do not realize just how intense all of this can get when you start to really open up. And it is not just one experience that you can have. It is many different ones. I work with people all of the time that think they have had an experience and then one day they really do have one and they flip out because it is so intense. We as human beings are way more then we have ever dreamed. I popped open in the lodge once and the other people in there with me also popped open. It scared the hell out of them and we never saw them again. So, if I were one of those unexperienced people and went to a lodge and someone like you 'popped open,' what would it physically look like? What would be scary about it? I would hope that you warn those with no experiences like that what could happen.
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Post by Ishtahota on May 13, 2014 11:10:44 GMT -5
Lodge is dark. And if it was not dark the changes are not physical, they are in your consciousness.
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Post by silver on May 13, 2014 11:13:35 GMT -5
Lodge is dark. And if it was not dark the changes are not physical, they are in your consciousness. Okay, but what is it that scares novices when it happens to others in the dark lodge?
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Post by Ishtahota on May 13, 2014 13:21:05 GMT -5
Lodge is dark. And if it was not dark the changes are not physical, they are in your consciousness. Okay, but what is it that scares novices when it happens to others in the dark lodge? One person popping open in the lodge can cause others to pop open who are sitting close to them. Those who do not feel it, do not flip out. People do not realize how drastically their consciousness can change. It is that drastic change that flips some people out. One second you just like any other day and the next second, well it can be like main lining LSD. It depends on what is opened up in you as to how it feels. Different states of awareness have different feels to them.
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Post by laughter on May 13, 2014 13:57:54 GMT -5
Evil musketeers saying bad things about meditating! Relief? Hell ya'! .. if I'd realized about that fool that got lost I woulda' pushed him out an airplane without a chute years ago! Un mouseketeer est brave! unwissentlich arglosigkeit ist nicht heroisch
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Post by silver on May 13, 2014 14:30:46 GMT -5
Okay, but what is it that scares novices when it happens to others in the dark lodge? One person popping open in the lodge can cause others to pop open who are sitting close to them. Those who do not feel it, do not flip out. People do not realize how drastically their consciousness can change. It is that drastic change that flips some people out. One second you just like any other day and the next second, well it can be like main lining LSD. It depends on what is opened up in you as to how it feels. Different states of awareness have different feels to them. Ok, so some people who 'open up' will act maybe tripping out or excited or excitable and some won't act-outwardly any different from before they popped out? Have you ever managed to keep in touch some how with those who never came back and how they are doing? Do you think it has an effect on them to 'pop open' somewhere down the road?
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