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Post by topology on Apr 12, 2014 17:34:55 GMT -5
One mans cosmic consciousness experience is another mans self induced hallucination. Which man is correct? Aha!!!! Trick question, silly. Everyone knows that neither man is correct. I learned this from my wife. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 17:45:57 GMT -5
Aha!!!! Trick question, silly. Everyone knows that neither man is correct. I learned this from my wife. Your wife is indeed empty and infinite. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 12, 2014 17:53:12 GMT -5
One moment of cosmic consciousness gives a whole different perspective on the idea of infiniteness. The word that comes to mind during and after a CC experience is "infinite," not "emptiness." The idea of emptiness arises as one tries to communicate the flavor of what one sees when looking at the world in mental silence when the intellect is quiescent. Exactly, one moment, realized in contrast to mundane reality, can distort one's perception of Emptiness, make it out to be more extravagant, forgetting that less is more. You can't always live in cosmic consciousness, so to understand it you have to take into consideration that you're only getting a glimpse. To integrate it into yourself requires a little mellowing out, the twilight of the mind, that's what Emptiness is for you, not some giant exploding thing. It seems giant and exploding as your whole reality first explodes, but afterwards once you get the drift then it mellows out. "Less is more".  . Yes. Infinity, as any other word or concept, is a boundary, so it embodies as directly and succinctly as any concept can, a pointer to what cannot be conceptualized. What is pointed to by infinity is an absence, specifically, the absence of limitation. That what appears to us can only hint at this absence comes as no surprise if we just stop thinking about it for a time. |
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Post by runstill on Apr 12, 2014 17:57:19 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter to me whether thought calls it infinite or empty. The fact is that thought wasn't there to make the observation in the first place. Thoughts are powerful though.. usually in a negative way.. words are also powerful like this.. and while not necessarily for you, in the wider marketplace of ideas these semantics make a big difference.. Thought's only have power that the thinker endows them with....  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 12, 2014 17:57:54 GMT -5
One moment of cosmic consciousness gives a whole different perspective on the idea of infiniteness. The word that comes to mind during and after a CC experience is "infinite," not "emptiness." The idea of emptiness arises as one tries to communicate the flavor of what one sees when looking at the world in mental silence when the intellect is quiescent. It really doesn't matter to me whether thought calls it infinite or empty. The fact is that thought wasn't there to make the observation in the first place. (** skijump! **) |
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Post by laughter on Apr 12, 2014 18:01:13 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter to me whether thought calls it infinite or empty. The fact is that thought wasn't there to make the observation in the first place. Thoughts are powerful though.. usually in a negative way.. words are also powerful like this.. and while not necessarily for you, in the wider marketplace of ideas these semantics make a big difference.. So what're the spreads like on "Clarity" these days??  Rumor has it that once they regulated out the high-frequency traders that noone wanted to make a market in it anymore! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:02:32 GMT -5
With regards to the experience of consciousness and thought. I wouldn't say, but some have said that the arising of the mind in the form of thought is an "apparent" finiteness. In other words the mind as thought arises as an "apparent limit" on infinite consciousness. When the thought comes to an end the infinite consciousness ceases to be veiled by the apparent limit or finiteness of thought. So all the apparent finite objects that we see are actually made of a single infinite substance called pure consciousness. One would think that a single brush stroke is limited, but when the "limited" comes together in just the right way to induce a few moments of awe, the face of God is revealed. I only have an intellectual understanding of what your saying, but if you can see the face of God in a brush stroke wouldn't you be able to see it in every object, thought or perception? |
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Post by runstill on Apr 12, 2014 18:03:08 GMT -5
One mans cosmic consciousness experience is another mans self induced hallucination. Which man is correct? One mans hallucination about what cosmic consciousness is shouldn't do drugs........  |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 12, 2014 18:04:40 GMT -5
Exactly, one moment, realized in contrast to mundane reality, can distort one's perception of Emptiness, make it out to be more extravagant, forgetting that less is more. You can't always live in cosmic consciousness, so to understand it you have to take into consideration that you're only getting a glimpse. To integrate it into yourself requires a little mellowing out, the twilight of the mind, that's what Emptiness is for you, not some giant exploding thing. It seems giant and exploding as your whole reality first explodes, but afterwards once you get the drift then it mellows out. "Less is more". . Yes. Infinity, as any other word or concept, is a boundary, so it embodies as directly and succinctly as any concept can, a pointer to what cannot be conceptualized. What is pointed to by infinity is an absence, specifically, the absence of limitation. That what appears to us can only hint at this absence comes as no surprise if we just stop thinking about it for a time. Sounds good to me. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 12, 2014 18:24:56 GMT -5
Thoughts are powerful though.. usually in a negative way.. words are also powerful like this.. and while not necessarily for you, in the wider marketplace of ideas these semantics make a big difference.. So what're the spreads like on "Clarity" these days?? Rumor has it that once they regulated out the high-frequency traders that noone wanted to make a market in it anymore! This is off-topic, but you mentioned high-frequency traders, and it brought to mind the HFT issue recently brought into the spotlight by Michael Lewis. His latest book, "Flash Boys," is a great one-night read. One of the tech geniuses that got put into prison by Goldman Sachs and the FBI for supposedly "stealing" (useless, mostly open-source) code, lost everything in the process--his home, his wife, his three daughters, his money, etc. Initially he was put into a violent prison before being moved several months later. However, he watched what was happening to him through his trial, conviction, and imprisonment in almost an ATA mode, and didn't resist anything (didn't think that his conviction and incarceration SHOULDN'T be happening). In the process he had an amazing realization, and became quite clear. This is part of a note he wrote: "If the incarceration experience doesn't break your spirit, it changes you in a way that you lose many fears. You begin to realize that your life is not ruled by your ego and ambition and that it can end any day at any time. So why worry? You learn that just like on the street, there is life in prison, and random people get there based on the jeopardy of the system. The prisons are filled by people who crossed the law, as well as by those who were incidentally and circumstantially picked and crushed by somebody else's agenda. On the other hand, as a vivid benefit, you become very much independent of material property and learn to appreciate very simple pleasures in life such as sunlight and morning breeze." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:25:18 GMT -5
Exactly, one moment, realized in contrast to mundane reality, can distort one's perception of Emptiness, make it out to be more extravagant, forgetting that less is more. You can't always live in cosmic consciousness, so to understand it you have to take into consideration that you're only getting a glimpse. To integrate it into yourself requires a little mellowing out, the twilight of the mind, that's what Emptiness is for you, not some giant exploding thing. It seems giant and exploding as your whole reality first explodes, but afterwards once you get the drift then it mellows out. "Less is more". . Yes. Infinity, as any other word or concept, is a boundary, so it embodies as directly and succinctly as any concept can, a pointer to what cannot be conceptualized. What is pointed to by infinity is an absence, specifically, the absence of limitation. That what appears to us can only hint at this absence comes as no surprise if we just stop thinking about it for a time.  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 12, 2014 18:40:36 GMT -5
So what're the spreads like on "Clarity" these days?? Rumor has it that once they regulated out the high-frequency traders that noone wanted to make a market in it anymore! This is off-topic, but you mentioned high-frequency traders, and it brought to mind the HFT issue recently brought into the spotlight by Michael Lewis. His latest book, "Flash Boys," is a great one-night read. One of the tech geniuses that got put into prison by Goldman Sachs and the FBI for supposedly "stealing" (useless, mostly open-source) code, lost everything in the process--his home, his wife, his three daughters, his money, etc. Initially he was put into a violent prison before being moved several months later. However, he watched what was happening to him through his trial, conviction, and imprisonment in almost an ATA mode, and didn't resist anything (didn't think that his conviction and incarceration SHOULDN'T be happening). In the process he had an amazing realization, and became quite clear. This is part of a note he wrote: "If the incarceration experience doesn't break your spirit, it changes you in a way that you lose many fears. You begin to realize that your life is not ruled by your ego and ambition and that it can end any day at any time. So why worry? You learn that just like on the street, there is life in prison, and random people get there based on the jeopardy of the system. The prisons are filled by people who crossed the law, as well as by those who were incidentally and circumstantially picked and crushed by somebody else's agenda. On the other hand, as a vivid benefit, you become very much independent of material property and learn to appreciate very simple pleasures in life such as sunlight and morning breeze." Thanks ZD ... another reason to read that one.  |
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Post by topology on Apr 12, 2014 19:32:39 GMT -5
Aha!!!! Trick question, silly. Everyone knows that neither man is correct. I learned this from my wife. Your wife is indeed empty and infinite. There are so many possible interpretations of empty and infinite, but I know which interpretation my wife will hear! |
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Post by topology on Apr 12, 2014 19:53:13 GMT -5
One would think that a single brush stroke is limited, but when the "limited" comes together in just the right way to induce a few moments of awe, the face of God is revealed. I only have an intellectual understanding of what your saying, but if you can see the face of God in a brush stroke wouldn't you be able to see it in every object, thought or perception? Morgan Freeman played God in a few movies.... This was an awe inducing finger painting of his face. (At least for me) Tongue in cheek aside, Is it God that is seen? Or is it God that is looking and sees himself reflected in what she sees? |
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 12, 2014 20:20:38 GMT -5
I only have an intellectual understanding of what your saying, but if you can see the face of God in a brush stroke wouldn't you be able to see it in every object, thought or perception? Morgan Freeman played God in a few movies.... This was an awe inducing finger painting of his face. (At least for me) Tongue in cheek aside, Is it God that is seen? Or is it God that is looking and sees himself reflected in what she sees? Hi Top: Do you ever wonder what it would be like if people let go of 'God' references? what it would be like if people set down their 'God' baggage, and just looked at Life happening without the expectations and preconceptions based on conditioning by religious myths? |
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