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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 18:37:23 GMT -5
Hi, I'm your 15 y/o daughter. I'm autistic and my IQ is below 85. One of my many problems is that I can't understand words except in a literal way. The other is that I'm a little slow sometimes, others say that I'm just a little unlucky when I try to think. And my attention span is really short, after three sentences I've already forgotten what the first sentence was. Daddy, mommy, I love you very much, and I know that you love me more than anything. So my question is - and please don't forget how much you love me and please don't forget my aforementioned problems - how to get enlightened? (note from BB: despite what you may think, I can assure you that this is a dead serious and well thought through thread and no off topic or funny comments will be tolerated) Be VERY alert, and not know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 18:38:44 GMT -5
I'm not sly as a fox at all. In fact you would be shocked about how much truth I say here about myself. I'm anonymous here, so no reason to lie. In fact, now that I think about it, I don't think I lie here at all. When I do lie then it's some really outrageous lie that isn't even meant to be believed by anyone, like when I ran the "I have the longest ding-dong" joke. Actually I think I should be offended that you think I am sly as a fox, because that means that you think my personality is so pathological that it can't possibly be real. no, no, no, don't be offended .. I said I was just reading between the lines .. and you don't always give accurate accounts, so we have to use our imagination... it could be a language barrier though, I only speak the one... I'll bet your use of the word 'shaggin' is different than mine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 18:43:28 GMT -5
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of the ones seeking it? As I said to BB, it's a mystical, mysterious type of thing, and we can't argue - really - with anyone who says they are or they aren't because it's all up to the individual to define it. So you believe in the mystical?
I think there are certain qualities one can say true Enlightenment would have. Wouldn't you?
You could, but as long as you seek those qualities, you will be turning away from 'enlightenment'. Better to just be very alert, and not know, or seek.
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Post by earnest on Apr 4, 2014 19:39:04 GMT -5
Please dont take this personally, but this question about the girl is total bullshit. You are not that girl. There is enough bs mental abstraction as it is without making up someone who doesnt exist. To play along though, i think you'd have to spend time with her to even know where to start - 84,000 dharma doors and all... I like what empty and others have said about just look, and I find/found the trickiest part is the bareness of the looking. Only looking, no agenda. I might look at say a sunset or something beautiful or ugly or boring and there would be a hunger there - some kind of wishing that i was more touched by the experience, or that i should be more "at one", or that it should feel better etc etc. Basically there was an overlay that was evaluating what was happening and trying to manipulate it in some way. Anyway, nice to have a break from that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 19:51:12 GMT -5
I'll bet your use of the word 'shaggin' is different than mine. dunno, you didn't state what yours is, and I'm not interested in guessing.. but every year here they have Shaggin on the Riverwalk down on Yorktown beach, mostly 60's stuff, lawnchairs, dancing, good times... stop by if you're ever in town
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 19:56:23 GMT -5
I'll bet your use of the word 'shaggin' is different than mine. dunno, you didn't state what yours is, and I'm not interested in guessing.. but every year here they have Shaggin on the Riverwalk down on Yorktown beach, mostly 60's stuff, lawnchairs, dancing, good times... stop by if you're ever in town Shaggin fly balls, or when branches break and fall I'll be out shaggin' branches and piling them up. What month is Shaggin on the Riverwalk? Ya never know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 20:04:46 GMT -5
dunno, you didn't state what yours is, and I'm not interested in guessing.. but every year here they have Shaggin on the Riverwalk down on Yorktown beach, mostly 60's stuff, lawnchairs, dancing, good times... stop by if you're ever in town Shaggin fly balls, or when branches break and fall I'll be out shaggin' branches and piling them up. What month is Shaggin on the Riverwalk? Ya never know. all summer, but I haven't seen a schedule for this year... cheap cover bands mostly, but it usually doesn't matter, kinda hard to screw up that genre anytime .. I'm almost always here bring yer clubs...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 20:09:19 GMT -5
Interesting. Have you ever seen anyone with a halo? (I haven't.) I don't know which type of enlightenment your list is from, but I'm wondering if some people are enlightened, and don't know it. I can imagine being able to 'shape-shift' without a person realizing they even have that capability! (I do have quite an imagination.) As far as #3 goes (unending happiness), I can imagine that people who are 'enlightened' can get angry or curious or ___ without becoming unenlightened. **shrug** Jesus got mad and then if you watched this old video of UG ...that guy went bullistic, so much so that they cut the video short. About halos, I read where some saints would light up while praying. Lighting up can happen anytime. Grounding in the delicate denser frequencies and richer tones of love that humanity is capable of, is essential for making the light companionable for other people. If that don't work put a t-shirt on. Or if you're a girl, halternecks work just as well..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 20:10:12 GMT -5
Shaggin fly balls, or when branches break and fall I'll be out shaggin' branches and piling them up. What month is Shaggin on the Riverwalk? Ya never know. all summer, but I haven't seen a schedule for this year... cheap cover bands mostly, but it usually doesn't matter, kinda hard to screw up that genre anytime .. I'm almost always here bring yer clubs... I was just reading about it. Looks like it goes on for 2 1/2 weeks in June. Music, beaches, golf... Brews and bar-b-cues Sounds like fun. It would be a tough fit this year, though. Three graduations, and three graduation parties in June. I'll have to take a rain check this year.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 4, 2014 20:49:52 GMT -5
Mr B .. you are not a neophyte, so why do you do this? You know that nobody "gets" enlightened .. that the premise of such a question is flawed from the onset. Why do you say I'm not a neophyte? I very strongly susprect that of all people on this forum I am the least enlightened one. I've never even had a spiritual experience. I strongly reject the claim that nobody gets enlightened. The fact is that for example Eckart Tolle's mind-body is enlightened and mine isn't. Nothing. Whatever I have tried so far has had no effect whatsoever. So I decided to stop wasting my time. So before I pick up a practise it must be one that is a lot of fun, or I must be certain that it will deliver the goods. But I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase. First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier. sdp
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Post by silver on Apr 4, 2014 20:57:16 GMT -5
Why do you say I'm not a neophyte? I very strongly susprect that of all people on this forum I am the least enlightened one. I've never even had a spiritual experience. I strongly reject the claim that nobody gets enlightened. The fact is that for example Eckart Tolle's mind-body is enlightened and mine isn't. Nothing. Whatever I have tried so far has had no effect whatsoever. So I decided to stop wasting my time. So before I pick up a practise it must be one that is a lot of fun, or I must be certain that it will deliver the goods. But I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase. First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier. sdp Wow, sdp...that sounds very authoritative. Okay...what's next?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 21:11:25 GMT -5
Why do you say I'm not a neophyte? I very strongly susprect that of all people on this forum I am the least enlightened one. I've never even had a spiritual experience. I strongly reject the claim that nobody gets enlightened. The fact is that for example Eckart Tolle's mind-body is enlightened and mine isn't. Nothing. Whatever I have tried so far has had no effect whatsoever. So I decided to stop wasting my time. So before I pick up a practise it must be one that is a lot of fun, or I must be certain that it will deliver the goods. But I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase. First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier.sdp And what has to be practiced and understood at the barrier, that is the 14th of these next barriers, after this initial, next barrier?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 4, 2014 22:08:07 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier.sdp And what has to be practiced and understood at the barrier, that is the 14th of these next barriers, after this initial, next barrier? I haven't gotten that far, but one would have to get through 13 to come to 14, as previously stated........ Once you have a practice, you keep practicing, but things will be added. sdp
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:11:07 GMT -5
And what has to be practiced and understood at the barrier, that is the 14th of these next barriers, after this initial, next barrier? I haven't gotten that far, but one would have to get through 13 to come to 14, as previously stated........ Once you have a practice, you keep practicing, but things will be added. sdp If you were given only 3 weeks to live, do you reckon you'd get a dash on?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 4, 2014 22:12:47 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier. sdp Wow, sdp...that sounds very authoritative. Okay...what's next? For one thing, questions arise out of practice, so, you ask questions. sdp
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