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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 5:37:35 GMT -5
oops... ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 5:28:15 GMT -5
www.federaljack.com/ebooks/Consciousness%20Books%20Collection/John%20C%20Lilly%20-%20The%20Center%20of%20the%20Cyclone.pdf
click and the download starts immediately.
hi help
this is a free pdf download of ´´the center of the cyclone´´ by John lily
an american dolphin researcher, academic, who tried lsd in the seventies
i had my own troubles way back then with lsd, and can relate to your story
it is a long time ago, but i remember that the book gave some really good insights into the lsd experience, what went ´´wrong´´, and also into spirituality--it was one of the first books i read on spirituality and i still remember it---having read loads after that i dont remember...
stay away from the pot for a while is good advice...
make sure you eat enough green leafy vegetables, raw is best, like salads,tomatoes (lettuce)
and what max says...this too will pass...
all the best
sunshine
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Post by nevermore on Apr 25, 2014 20:54:59 GMT -5
Hi,
I don't mean to alarm you, but if this has not stopped happening since you last posted, you should bear in mind the possibility that you are developing schizophrenia. You are in the age range in which it most commonly starts to show itself, and it is not as rare as many people think (1 in every 100 people, and an even higher proportion when looking specifically at males).
Despite propaganda you might have seen, evidence does not currently support the notion that taking cannabis or hallucinogens causes schizophrenia in any segment of the population, but there is evidence that people who are predisposed to schizophrenia, more often start taking drugs more frequently in their teens, and subtle early signs of schizophrenia are there already before they start doing so, meaning the drugs don't cause the schizophrenia but some underlying abnormality causes both the increased rate of drug-taking and the later schizophrenia (possibly via self-medication for prodromal symptoms).
It is also true that in people with schizophrenia, some of the symptoms are made worse or more frequent by hallucinogens and cannabis (there is some evidence they can be used therapeutically for it as well, but only at low, controlled doses, which are not yet available in most places so it's best to avoid them for now to avoid making things worse).
Wishing you all the best,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 6:32:32 GMT -5
Hi, I don't mean to alarm you, but if this has not stopped happening since you last posted, you should bear in mind the possibility that you are developing schizophrenia. You are in the age range in which it most commonly starts to show itself, and it is not as rare as many people think (1 in every 100 people, and an even higher proportion when looking specifically at males). Despite propaganda you might have seen, evidence does not currently support the notion that taking cannabis or hallucinogens causes schizophrenia in any segment of the population, but there is evidence that people who are predisposed to schizophrenia, more often start taking drugs more frequently in their teens, and subtle early signs of schizophrenia are there already before they start doing so, meaning the drugs don't cause the schizophrenia but some underlying abnormality causes both the increased rate of drug-taking and the later schizophrenia (possibly via self-medication for prodromal symptoms). It is also true that in people with schizophrenia, some of the symptoms are made worse or more frequent by hallucinogens and cannabis (there is some evidence they can be used therapeutically for it as well, but only at low, controlled doses, which are not yet available in most places so it's best to avoid them for now to avoid making things worse). Wishing you all the best, nevermore Well you've alarmed me. Diagnosing schizophrenia over the internet, very smart move!!
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Post by nevermore on Apr 26, 2014 13:09:06 GMT -5
Hi, I don't mean to alarm you, but if this has not stopped happening since you last posted, you should bear in mind the possibility that you are developing schizophrenia. You are in the age range in which it most commonly starts to show itself, and it is not as rare as many people think (1 in every 100 people, and an even higher proportion when looking specifically at males). Despite propaganda you might have seen, evidence does not currently support the notion that taking cannabis or hallucinogens causes schizophrenia in any segment of the population, but there is evidence that people who are predisposed to schizophrenia, more often start taking drugs more frequently in their teens, and subtle early signs of schizophrenia are there already before they start doing so, meaning the drugs don't cause the schizophrenia but some underlying abnormality causes both the increased rate of drug-taking and the later schizophrenia (possibly via self-medication for prodromal symptoms). It is also true that in people with schizophrenia, some of the symptoms are made worse or more frequent by hallucinogens and cannabis (there is some evidence they can be used therapeutically for it as well, but only at low, controlled doses, which are not yet available in most places so it's best to avoid them for now to avoid making things worse). Wishing you all the best, nevermore Well you've alarmed me. Diagnosing schizophrenia over the internet, very smart move!! When your doctor diagnoses you with something, do they say "you should bear in mind the possibility that you have this condition"? I think you'll find doctors don't say that when they diagnose you, because that phrasing is not diagnosis, it is merely informing someone of a possibility. If someone came online saying "I have a lump that's been hurting and changing colour for weeks", and was the age and gender for which which cancers of that region of the body usually first appear, and did not appear to have any knowledge of the fact that this is a symptom that you are absolutely supposed to alert doctors to as soon as you notice it (just as the psychotic symptoms described here are - any psychotic symptoms experienced when no longer under the direct influence of drugs, is actually a medical emergency that you are supposed to tell a doctor about immediately), would you accuse someone of being irresponsible for saying merely "you should bear in mind the possibility that it's a tumour"? I suspect that you would consider people irresponsible for not telling someone that the classic signs of a tumour are indeed the classic signs of a tumour. You would also not say "don't diagnose people online!" just because someone said "that might be a tumour". As I've never seen anyone tell someone off for saying that sort of thing about tumours, but only only when it's mental illness that's in question, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you wouldn't accuse them of "diagnosing someone" with a tumour if all they did was suggest the possibility. What is the difference between the two scenarios, in your opinion, that makes it unacceptable to tell people that psychosis is a very serious medical symptom that should be investigated immediately, but perfectly acceptable to tell people that a painful and colour-changing lump is a very serious medical symptom that should be investigated immediately? What makes one "online diagnosis", and the other an innocent warning that they should go to a doctor who might or might not need to diagnose them with something?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 13:23:45 GMT -5
Please show me where you told him to go see a doctor, in your first post..
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Post by nevermore on Apr 26, 2014 13:30:21 GMT -5
Please show me where you told him to go see a doctor, in your first post.. Why would I specify the course of action as if the guy is stupid? That would just be patronising and bossy. Everyone of normal intelligence or above - which you must be to be communicating on a forum like this - knows that if you think you might have schizophrenia, you're supposed to see a doctor. In exactly the same way, if someone had described a new, painful lump, I would not necessarily add "and you should see a doctor" to a post suggesting that it might be tumour, unless they were mentally retarded, because it's common knowledge that if you suspect a tumour, you're supposed to see a doctor.
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Post by silver on Apr 26, 2014 13:32:15 GMT -5
To whom it may concern: Schizophrenia: Choosing a Doctor and Therapist Types of Mental Health Specialists Choosing the right doctor and/or therapist to treat schizophrenia and other mental health issues may seem like a daunting task. But, finding the right doctor is an important step towards getting the right treatment. A number of different types of doctors can treat mental illnesses, including the following: Recommended Related to Schizophrenia Schizophrenia: Symptoms Positive symptoms can come and go. Know what to look for, so you can take action. Positive Symptoms of Schizophrenia Read the Schizophrenia: Symptoms article > > Psychiatrists: These professionals diagnose and specialize in the treatment of schizophrenia and other mental, emotional, or behavioral problems. A psychiatrist can prescribe medications and may establish therapy sessions to treat the patient. Psychologists: With the exception of prescribing medication, psychologists offer the same type of services and treatment that psychiatrists do. And even though psychologists have typically not been allowed to prescribe medications, several states have passed laws that give them prescribing privileges. Psychologists also do cognitive and behavioral testing to help assess specific areas of strengths and weaknesses in the way a patient functions. One type of counseling provided by psychologists that has proven to be particularly helpful to individuals struggling with a mental illness such as schizophrenia and their families is cognitive behavioral therapy or CBT. A form of cognitive therapy designed specifically for schizophrenia is called cognitive rehabilitation, remediation, or enhancement. It is based on the assumption that people with schizophrenia become isolated and withdrawn because others are put off by their apparent inability to express or understand feelings and desires. Patients are taught how to safely communicate their own needs and show that they understand the needs of others. Not every psychologist offers CBT, so you should ask about the types of therapy that are available when deciding where to go to get help. Licensed Clinical Social Workers (LCSW) and Licensed Professional Counselors (LPC). These professionals are trained to provide professional counseling for psychological, emotional, and behavioral issues. They can specialize in areas such as marital and family counseling, relaxation therapy, stress management, and sex therapy. Because LCSWs and LPCs are not medical doctors, they are not typically allowed to prescribe medications. Primary care doctors: In many cases, your primary care doctor may diagnose your illness and refer you to a specialist. Holistic and alternative medicine doctors: These doctors are specialists in complementary and alternative medicines, holistic medicine, nutritional medicine, and herbal medicine treatments. These doctors may be able to prescribe standard medications but often choose different approaches that may combine natural medicines with mental health therapies. After determining the appropriate wellness plans or treatments, they may recommend other mental health therapists such as life coaches, psychologists, or psychoanalysts. Psychoanalysts: Psychoanalysts are psychiatrists, psychologists, or other mental health professionals who have obtained advanced training in a particular form of psychotherapy that grew originally from Sigmund Freud's theories. These theories are based on the idea that unconscious processes determine such things as an individual's vulnerabilities, motives, tensions, impulses, guilt, fantasies, or urges and can cause emotional and behavioral conflicts. Because the roots of these conflicts lie in the unconscious, common efforts to cope with emotional or behavioral conflicts -- for instance the advice of friends and family, self-help books, and the like -- can be unsuccessful. Psychoanalysts deal with emotional issues and may sometimes prescribe medication. Or they may collaborate with other doctors who prescribe medicines. Psychoanalytic therapy relies on the principle of transference, that is, a pattern of unconscious feelings and thoughts about the analyst that reflect similar feelings and thoughts about other important figures in the patient's life (for example, parents). The goal of the treatment is to make the unconscious conscious so that the patient can begin to recognize patterns of thinking, feeling, and behaving that are no longer relevant to his or her current life circumstances. Psychoanalytic sessions are generally conducted four to five times a week. Psychoanalysis is not considered an appropriate treatment for schizophrenia or other forms of psychosis. www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/choosing-a-doctor-and-therapist~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One can only 'look into it' with the sources that are available to them. It's not an easy answer to give, but the suggestion seems innate to the response/comments given.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 13:40:11 GMT -5
Please show me where you told him to go see a doctor, in your first post.. Why would I specify the course of action as if the guy is stupid? That would just be patronising and bossy. Everyone of normal intelligence or above - which you must be to be communicating on a forum like this - knows that if you think you might have schizophrenia, you're supposed to see a doctor. In exactly the same way, if someone had described a new, painful lump, I would not necessarily add "and you should see a doctor" to a post suggesting that it might be tumour, unless they were mentally retarded, because it's common knowledge that if you suspect a tumour, you're supposed to see a doctor. Have you met many schizophrenics?
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Post by nevermore on Apr 26, 2014 13:45:27 GMT -5
Why would I specify the course of action as if the guy is stupid? That would just be patronising and bossy. Everyone of normal intelligence or above - which you must be to be communicating on a forum like this - knows that if you think you might have schizophrenia, you're supposed to see a doctor. In exactly the same way, if someone had described a new, painful lump, I would not necessarily add "and you should see a doctor" to a post suggesting that it might be tumour, unless they were mentally retarded, because it's common knowledge that if you suspect a tumour, you're supposed to see a doctor. Have you met many schizophrenics? Two. What's that got to do with it? Have you met many people with skin cancer? If not, I suppose you would be wrong to warn anyone that a painful, colour-changing lump might be cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 13:55:24 GMT -5
Have you met many schizophrenics? Two. What's that got to do with it? Have you met many people with skin cancer? If not, I suppose you would be wrong to warn anyone that a painful, colour-changing lump might be cancer. And do you know whether their state of mind was well enough to think, that they might have schizophrenia, when they were first diagnosed?
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Post by laughter on Apr 26, 2014 15:03:56 GMT -5
Hi, I don't mean to alarm you, but if this has not stopped happening since you last posted, you should bear in mind the possibility that you are developing schizophrenia. You are in the age range in which it most commonly starts to show itself, and it is not as rare as many people think (1 in every 100 people, and an even higher proportion when looking specifically at males). Despite propaganda you might have seen, evidence does not currently support the notion that taking cannabis or hallucinogens causes schizophrenia in any segment of the population, but there is evidence that people who are predisposed to schizophrenia, more often start taking drugs more frequently in their teens, and subtle early signs of schizophrenia are there already before they start doing so, meaning the drugs don't cause the schizophrenia but some underlying abnormality causes both the increased rate of drug-taking and the later schizophrenia (possibly via self-medication for prodromal symptoms). It is also true that in people with schizophrenia, some of the symptoms are made worse or more frequent by hallucinogens and cannabis (there is some evidence they can be used therapeutically for it as well, but only at low, controlled doses, which are not yet available in most places so it's best to avoid them for now to avoid making things worse). Wishing you all the best, nevermore Well you've alarmed me. Diagnosing schizophrenia over the internet, very smart move!!
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Post by laughter on Apr 26, 2014 15:14:55 GMT -5
Have you met many schizophrenics? Two. What's that got to do with it? Have you met many people with skin cancer? If not, I suppose you would be wrong to warn anyone that a painful, colour-changing lump might be cancer. One of the things that was sticky for me about this particular forum on this particular topic is a profound sense of open honesty that tends to lead to a lack of interest on the part of people looking for online advice. Not many opportunities for dispensing that 'round here. Two primary themes here on the st.org forum are deconstruction of conceptual structure in general and the investigation of conditioned patterns rooted in personality in particular ... so when advice, opinions, conclusions of rhetoric, theories etc. -- when any of these are offered ... it's like ..
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Post by nevermore on Apr 26, 2014 15:26:40 GMT -5
Two. What's that got to do with it? Have you met many people with skin cancer? If not, I suppose you would be wrong to warn anyone that a painful, colour-changing lump might be cancer. And do you know whether their state of mind was well enough to think, that they might have schizophrenia, when they were first diagnosed? People with schizophrenia do not stop knowing what schizophrenia is. They might disbelieve they have it, they might accept that they have it but disbelieve their current symptoms have anything to do with it, and they might be fully aware that their current symptoms are of schizophrenia. All three possibilities are very common. However, when someone does start to suspect that they have schizophrenia, they do not suddenly forget the common knowledge that if you suspect schizophrenia, you go to the doctor. So no, you do not have to tell someone "you should go to the doctor if you think you have it." They will either not suspect that they have the condition and ignore what you say completely anyway, or they will agree with you that they might have it, in which case they'll be fully aware that they have the option of going to the doctor about it. The implication of your criticism here seems to be "how dare you bother telling someone they might have schizophrenia when they might not agree or do anything about it - you should only bother warning someone about something if you're 100% sure they will listen to you". You have yet to explain exactly why you are against someone warning someone they might have schizophrenia, and yet are not against warning someone they might have a tumour. I recommend examining your attitudes towards mental illness. There is likely taboo and stigma affecting your judgment, and it might affect your ability to help people one day, just as it has done here: I'm the only person to have bothered warning this young man in any way at all that psychosis might be of medical concern. I'm not surprised, as I've encountered a lot of mental illness ignorance and anti-psychiatry sentiment from spiritual seekers already. It is something that needs to be addressed, as psychiatric illness is more common here than elsewhere, because a lot of people get into spiritual seeking specifically because of suffering caused by mental illness and/or developmental disabilities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 15:32:17 GMT -5
Well you've alarmed me. Diagnosing schizophrenia over the internet, very smart move!!
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