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Post by laughter on May 22, 2014 19:32:45 GMT -5
That sucks. How long had you had him/her? What's the dogs name? Almost 4 years. Her name is Daisy. That depth of sadness you mention is a great specific example of that endless conceptual debate we have here about polarities creating one another. There's a depth of connection we make with these animals, and it's the sweetness of the time that we share with them that makes a sudden and unexpected parting so bitter. I had a long-haired calico girly cat who had got to the point where she'd glued herself to me get hit by a car back in '09, and I knew at the time that I was lucky to have found her body, as sucky as that was. That was just one ugly day out of years of joy I had with her, and these days just thinking about her calms me right the fu.ck down. I'm sure you've done the best you can to find Daisy, and that if there's anything more that might be done to find her, that you'll do it.
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Post by silver on May 22, 2014 19:52:57 GMT -5
Almost 4 years. Her name is Daisy. That depth of sadness you mention is a great specific example of that endless conceptual debate we have here about polarities creating one another. There's a depth of connection we make with these animals, and it's the sweetness of the time that we share with them that makes a sudden and unexpected parting so bitter. I had a long-haired calico girly cat who had got to the point where she'd glued herself to me get hit by a car back in '09, and I knew at the time that I was lucky to have found her body, as sucky as that was. That was just one ugly day out of years of joy I had with her, and these days just thinking about her calms me right the fu.ck down. I'm sure you've done the best you can to find Daisy. My condolances, si. And you see how we always (well most of the time) say their name - refer to them in present tense because how they're always going to be a part of us, having gotten to 'know' them(?) It is interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 7:30:16 GMT -5
sorry to hear, that is awful. why would someone steal her? The reasons are tough to swallow. Turning a quick profit on the dog through ransom or resale. Selling the dog to a laboratory for all kinds of testing. Using the dog as bait in dog fighting rings or worse. sorry I asked. that's even more awful.
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Post by Reefs on May 23, 2014 8:52:33 GMT -5
sorry to hear, that is awful. why would someone steal her? The reasons are tough to swallow. Turning a quick profit on the dog through ransom or resale. Selling the dog to a laboratory for all kinds of testing. Using the dog as bait in dog fighting rings or worse. That sounds like the worst possible scenario. Maybe she just left 3D earth and ascended into the 5th with Andrew?
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Post by silver on Sept 9, 2014 23:19:50 GMT -5
Just thought I'd let you all know that I've picked up the book again, and am on page 61. I finished the two library books. Since my heart surgery, reading is easier for me.
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Post by laughter on Sept 10, 2014 8:58:59 GMT -5
Just thought I'd let you all know that I've picked up the book again, and am on page 61. I finished the two library books. Since my heart surgery, reading is easier for me. The thought occurred to pick it up again the other day.
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2014 4:47:02 GMT -5
In that moment of recognition, you have already begun to move beyond the wall of accumulated knowledge. Then, if you don't redefine this moment or rebox it in some concept, rethinking yourself into existence, your true state of being starts to present itself. What you really are begins to awaken. The true I am is so unbelievably empty. It's so free of everything you thought you were. It has no limitation. It has no definition. Any definition would be a disservice to what you are. All that's left is consciousness, and it's not even that because that's just a word. When you see what you really are, no concepts apply anymore. You are so empty there is just consciousness. There is no inner child, and there is no adult either. None of your identities exist until you think them into existence. Consciousness can look down and see there is a body, but that's not the source of anyone's problem. This is the best description of realization I've encountered. The problem is what you add on after that in your mind. And that's what most of the correspondence here on the forum are about, and part of the way that this is reflected back to the one doing the addition so that they can hear it is that none of that is actually a problem.
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Post by laughter on Oct 20, 2014 9:56:20 GMT -5
This is similar to what consciousness does. It projects this thing called a human being and gets so enamored with its creation that it loses itself in it. Chapter 9, para 31The dialog between Ayda and questioner at the end of Chapter 9 on "Consciousness" reads to me for all the world like a 21st century Northern Cali version of this Niz dialog. My understanding is that meditation/satsang have been part of the culture out there for decades, and from reading the Emptiness Dancing Ch 9 dialog, it seems that Adya has quite a bit of experience with witness-identified split-mind peeps facing the conundrum of emotional repression vs. cultivating the genuine detachment of what Niz referred to as the "witnessing attitude".
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Post by laughter on Oct 21, 2014 20:19:34 GMT -5
We're more than willing to give up the negatives. But when we run into bliss, ecstasy, the joy and release of true revelation, and all the emotions that we consider spiritual, we tell ourselves: "That's me. How do I know that's me? It must be me because I feel very good. I feel bliss and extasy and joy. That's how I know who I am, what I am, and that I am safe." But you're still buying into sense perception. What a gyp! It's a ripoff I tells ya'! I want my moneys back! "Emptiness Dancing" ... (** ptooey!! **) I want "Carrots Standin' Still" instead so's I can munch'em!
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Post by enigma on Oct 21, 2014 23:43:55 GMT -5
We're more than willing to give up the negatives. But when we run into bliss, ecstasy, the joy and release of true revelation, and all the emotions that we consider spiritual, we tell ourselves: "That's me. How do I know that's me? It must be me because I feel very good. I feel bliss and extasy and joy. That's how I know who I am, what I am, and that I am safe." But you're still buying into sense perception. What a gyp! It's a ripoff I tells ya'! I want my moneys back! "Emptiness Dancing" ... (** ptooey!! **) I want "Carrots Standin' Still" instead so's I can munch'em! So Adya isn't so much into bliss/joy/ecstasy after all??
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Post by enigma on Oct 21, 2014 23:47:39 GMT -5
Wait, so you mean bliss and ecstasy yin-yang too??!!
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Post by laughter on Oct 22, 2014 4:44:16 GMT -5
What a gyp! It's a ripoff I tells ya'! I want my moneys back! "Emptiness Dancing" ... (** ptooey!! **) I want "Carrots Standin' Still" instead so's I can munch'em! So Adya isn't so much into bliss/joy/ecstasy after all?? Obviously he's just a fake-guru-wannabe.
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Post by laughter on Oct 22, 2014 4:47:25 GMT -5
Wait, so you mean bliss and ecstasy yin-yang too??!! Wow, this could get confusing! .. .. Who to trust?? Aydashanti or figandrew?? .. ..
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Post by figgles on Oct 22, 2014 11:01:19 GMT -5
Wait, so you mean bliss and ecstasy yin-yang too??!! Ah, yes, the key bit to what he is saying there is this: " If you buy into sense perceptions to tell you who you are." He's speaking there about an identity that is linked to particular feelings, or in other words; attachment to feelings on the higher end of the emotional scale. so long as attachment to, or striving for, 'good feeling' emotions is happening, required conditions are part of the equation, and yes, that means that ying-yanging is indeed, bound to happen. But, when there is no longer striving or seeking for any particular feeling, the arising of bliss, when it ebbs, need not fall below a base-line of well being...because there is no sense of clinging attached to the bliss, there is no sense of something being lost when it ebbs.
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Post by laughter on Oct 22, 2014 12:29:24 GMT -5
Wait, so you mean bliss and ecstasy yin-yang too??!! Ah, yes, the key bit to what he is saying there is this: " If you buy into sense perceptions to tell you who you are." He's speaking there about an identity that is linked to particular feelings, or in other words; attachment to feelings on the higher end of the emotional scale. so long as attachment to, or striving for, 'good feeling' emotions is happening, required conditions are part of the equation, and yes, that means that ying-yanging is indeed, bound to happen. What this describes is a relationship between the presence of identification and an experience of emotional extremes, while the quote was about the absence of a framework for identification and how any description of identity based in sense perception is not that sort of absence. If Adya had been referring to attachment, he would have used the word, or some similar phrasing. He didn't. What he wrote, instead, was about self-reference: Part of not getting caught in illusion is to give up referencing the way we think and feel. A big part of wisdom is to give up referencing the positive thoughts and feelings. Chapter 9, "Consciousness", para's 37, 38In the absence of self-reference, is the absence of identification based on sense perception ... and what is described here: But, when there is no longer striving or seeking for any particular feeling, the arising of bliss, when it ebbs, need not fall below a base-line of well being...because there is no sense of clinging attached to the bliss, there is no sense of something being lost when it ebbs. ... references an experience described in terms of sense perception, by the meaning of the term "sense perception", as Adya was using it. In direct contradiction to a description of a particular feeling-state absent identification, what was written by Adya was: you realize this body-mind experiences what-ever it experiences...
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