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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:49:33 GMT -5
My God, they will actually do it. I can't believe it. 60% of US people are against US military intervention. Only 9% support it. If Assad falls then the same people who were reported to have caused 9/11 will take over Syria. It is inexplicable to me how the US can just ignore this fact if is actually not in bed with the terrorists. US intervention would be directly against the interest of the American people and against everything you claim to stand for. It's 60% now but the drumbeat just started. There's a bit of skepticism leftover. Probably only a Democratic Party executive office will have any luck starting a war at this point. Even at 60%, that's nothing to stop 'surgical strikes' with long range missiles. www.juancole.com/syriaI'd like to see what the investigation yields. Then why not let the UN figure out what to do?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 27, 2013 13:47:35 GMT -5
It's 60% now but the drumbeat just started. There's a bit of skepticism leftover. Probably only a Democratic Party executive office will have any luck starting a war at this point. Even at 60%, that's nothing to stop 'surgical strikes' with long range missiles. I think they've gone too far this time. 6 to 1 in the US is tremendous. They better show some damn good evidence if they want the numbers to change significantly. But I agree that it won't stop them. Obama will never be charged for war crimes if Bush wasn't, it's his last term, he can do whatever he wants, then some rebublican will be president, then a so called democrat, same same, we know the game. The opposite scenario is much more implausible than false flag. The UN observers came in three days ago and then Assad makes the biggest CW attack during the entire war? He is a rational leader, he knows the consequences, it makes no sense for him to do it, especially not when he already has a clear advantage in this war. There are many factions in Syria. Yes, most of them are just cannon fodder, but of course they also have some highly specialized and well trained forces. Many of them are foreign mercenaries who have no problem with killing Syrian civilians. I can even imagine that Israeli or American special forces are responsible, but what I can't imagine is that Assad did it... it just doesn't make sense. And when in doubt, after all the lying the US did in the past, we simply can't seriously be expected to believe the US narrative. They claim that Assad already destroyed all the evidence. I wonder what kind of evidence it is supposed to be that he is supposed to have destroyed. All the UN can do is determine whether a chemical attack did or did not occur. They can't determine who is responsible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 13:59:08 GMT -5
It's 60% now but the drumbeat just started. There's a bit of skepticism leftover. Probably only a Democratic Party executive office will have any luck starting a war at this point. Even at 60%, that's nothing to stop 'surgical strikes' with long range missiles. I think they've gone too far this time. 6 to 1 in the US is tremendous. They better show some darn good evidence if they want the numbers to change significantly. But I agree that it won't stop them. Obama will never be charged for war crimes if Bush wasn't, it's his last term, he can do whatever he wants, then some rebublican will be president, then a so called democrat, same same, we know the game. The opposite scenario is much more implausible than false flag. The UN observers came in three days ago and then Assad makes the biggest CW attack during the entire war? He is a rational leader, he knows the consequences, it makes no sense for him to do it, especially not when he already has a clear advantage in this war. There are many factions in Syria. Yes, most of them are just cannon fodder, but of course they also have some highly specialized and well trained forces. Many of them are foreign mercenaries who have no problem with killing Syrian civilians. I can even imagine that Israeli or American special forces are responsible, but what I can't imagine is that Assad did it... it just doesn't make sense. And when in doubt, after all the lying the US did in the past, we simply can't seriously be expected to believe the US narrative. They claim that Assad already destroyed all the evidence. I wonder what kind of evidence it is supposed to be that he is supposed to have destroyed. All the UN can do is determine whether a chemical attack did or did not occur. They can't determine who is responsible. I agree the timing of the attack is really weird. And it's true that the investigation will probably be inconclusive. I'd like to see whatever incontrovertible evidence the US is claiming. I agree I can see the Mossad or CIA or some other outfit doing it. But it seems like Israel and the USA probably have the dictator they know than the one they don't, so I'm not sure what is going on. There's talk of gasline interests. It's just such a wildly uncontrollable area, though, I can't see any reasonable folks thinking they can forecast a reliable scenario for themselves. Iraq is sided with Syria. Hello? It's really frustrating to see the Dems using Kosovo as their precedent. History is written by the 'victors.'
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 27, 2013 14:08:51 GMT -5
I think they've gone too far this time. 6 to 1 in the US is tremendous. They better show some darn good evidence if they want the numbers to change significantly. But I agree that it won't stop them. Obama will never be charged for war crimes if Bush wasn't, it's his last term, he can do whatever he wants, then some rebublican will be president, then a so called democrat, same same, we know the game. The opposite scenario is much more implausible than false flag. The UN observers came in three days ago and then Assad makes the biggest CW attack during the entire war? He is a rational leader, he knows the consequences, it makes no sense for him to do it, especially not when he already has a clear advantage in this war. There are many factions in Syria. Yes, most of them are just cannon fodder, but of course they also have some highly specialized and well trained forces. Many of them are foreign mercenaries who have no problem with killing Syrian civilians. I can even imagine that Israeli or American special forces are responsible, but what I can't imagine is that Assad did it... it just doesn't make sense. And when in doubt, after all the lying the US did in the past, we simply can't seriously be expected to believe the US narrative. They claim that Assad already destroyed all the evidence. I wonder what kind of evidence it is supposed to be that he is supposed to have destroyed. All the UN can do is determine whether a chemical attack did or did not occur. They can't determine who is responsible. I agree the timing of the attack is really weird. And it's true that the investigation will probably be inconclusive. I'd like to see whatever incontrovertible evidence the US is claiming. I agree I can see the Mossad or CIA or some other outfit doing it. But it seems like Israel and the USA probably have the dictator they know than the one they don't, so I'm not sure what is going on. There's talk of gasline interests. It's just such a wildly uncontrollable area, though, I can't see any reasonable folks thinking they can forecast a reliable scenario for themselves. Iraq is sided with Syria. Hello? It's really frustrating to see the Dems using Kosovo as their precedent. History is written by the 'victors.' The attacks happened on 8/21/2013, which is just one day shy of 11 years, 11 months, 11 days since 9/11/2001... And tomorrow -- if there's a strike on Syria-- it will be 666 days since 11/1/11. Coincidence? Proof we live in a simulated reality? Fun with numbers?
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Post by topology on Aug 27, 2013 14:11:16 GMT -5
I agree the timing of the attack is really weird. And it's true that the investigation will probably be inconclusive. I'd like to see whatever incontrovertible evidence the US is claiming. I agree I can see the Mossad or CIA or some other outfit doing it. But it seems like Israel and the USA probably have the dictator they know than the one they don't, so I'm not sure what is going on. There's talk of gasline interests. It's just such a wildly uncontrollable area, though, I can't see any reasonable folks thinking they can forecast a reliable scenario for themselves. Iraq is sided with Syria. Hello? It's really frustrating to see the Dems using Kosovo as their precedent. History is written by the 'victors.' The attacks happened on 8/21/2013, which is just one day shy of 11 years, 11 months, 11 days since 9/11/2001... And tomorrow -- if there's a strike on Syria-- it will be 666 days since 11/1/11. Coincidence? Proof we live in a simulated reality? Fun with numbers? You and your darn synchs. WWIII is YOUR FAULT!!!
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Post by silver on Aug 27, 2013 14:27:59 GMT -5
I agree the timing of the attack is really weird. And it's true that the investigation will probably be inconclusive. I'd like to see whatever incontrovertible evidence the US is claiming. I agree I can see the Mossad or CIA or some other outfit doing it. But it seems like Israel and the USA probably have the dictator they know than the one they don't, so I'm not sure what is going on. There's talk of gasline interests. It's just such a wildly uncontrollable area, though, I can't see any reasonable folks thinking they can forecast a reliable scenario for themselves. Iraq is sided with Syria. Hello? It's really frustrating to see the Dems using Kosovo as their precedent. History is written by the 'victors.' The attacks happened on 8/21/2013, which is just one day shy of 11 years, 11 months, 11 days since 9/11/2001... And tomorrow -- if there's a strike on Syria-- it will be 666 days since 11/1/11. Coincidence? Proof we live in a simulated reality? Fun with numbers? Holy shyte, is that for real, sq?!
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 27, 2013 14:33:07 GMT -5
I agree the timing of the attack is really weird. And it's true that the investigation will probably be inconclusive. I'd like to see whatever incontrovertible evidence the US is claiming. I agree I can see the Mossad or CIA or some other outfit doing it. But it seems like Israel and the USA probably have the dictator they know than the one they don't, so I'm not sure what is going on. There's talk of gasline interests. It's just such a wildly uncontrollable area, though, I can't see any reasonable folks thinking they can forecast a reliable scenario for themselves. Iraq is sided with Syria. Hello? It's really frustrating to see the Dems using Kosovo as their precedent. History is written by the 'victors.' They didn't control Assad, he was always sided with Iran and Russia. The gasline is bonus, in itself it's too small a reason. The important thing about the gasline is not that it makes money, but that it hurts Russia. I still claim that this is a proxy war against Iran. And a war against Iran would be a proxy war against Russia. The important thing is not to control Syria and Iran, the important thing is to remove allies from Russia one by one. Russia has a gigantic uncontrollable border in the south, they need Iran as a stabilizing factor for Islam otherwise the former Islamic satellite states Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kirgistan, Turkmenistan can easily be overrun and then Russia would be finished.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 14:41:55 GMT -5
The attacks happened on 8/21/2013, which is just one day shy of 11 years, 11 months, 11 days since 9/11/2001... And tomorrow -- if there's a strike on Syria-- it will be 666 days since 11/1/11. Coincidence? Proof we live in a simulated reality? Fun with numbers? Holy shyte, is that for real, sq?! It's just numbers that look good when they are repeated.
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Post by silver on Aug 27, 2013 14:47:40 GMT -5
Holy shyte, is that for real, sq?! It's just numbers that look good when they are repeated.Yeah, true. The odds are interesting, though.
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Post by topology on Aug 27, 2013 15:08:58 GMT -5
It sure is fun to pretend like we can predict what is going to happen, what will cause what, and that the world will behave exactly like we think it will, isn't it?
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Post by silver on Aug 27, 2013 15:16:33 GMT -5
It sure is fun to pretend like we can predict what is going to happen, what will cause what, and that the world will behave exactly like we think it will, isn't it? Ooh, why the mean face, heeh. I haven't a bloody clue about anything political, but like anything else like that - it kills lots a time just watching the show. Irresistible I guess, huh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 15:28:58 GMT -5
Regarding numbers, enlightenment, and such .. the Book of Daleth is a curious little book. bookofdaleth.com/index.htmlI actually couldn't get the download to work, some kinda issue with Adobe, but I have it downloaded on my hard drive. The book is listed on the SearchWithin download page, which I always thought was a little odd, cuz' it seems a bit out of place there. And its just a long series of short chapters, on a wide range of topics, from Isis to Pi to the war on terror.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 15:36:07 GMT -5
Regarding numbers, enlightenment, and such .. the Book of Daleth is a curious little book. bookofdaleth.com/index.htmlI actually couldn't get the download to work, some kinda issue with Adobe, but I have it downloaded on my hard drive. The book is listed on the SearchWithin download page, which I always thought was a little odd, cuz' it seems a bit out of place there. And its just a long series of short chapters, on a wide range of topics, from Isis to Pi to the war on terror. And that was a palindromic post for you
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 27, 2013 15:58:09 GMT -5
It sure is fun to pretend like we can predict what is going to happen, what will cause what, and that the world will behave exactly like we think it will, isn't it? Ooh, why the mean face, heeh. I haven't a bloody clue about anything political, but like anything else like that - it kills lots a time just watching the show. Irresistible I guess, huh. Easy to say when you live in US, which is the most poweful country and where there haven't been any significant changes in a very long time. But if you live in some insignificant country that everyone can push around then you absolutely have to be aware of the big picture, otherwise you and your family will suffer the consequences.
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Post by silver on Aug 27, 2013 16:22:14 GMT -5
Ooh, why the mean face, heeh. I haven't a bloody clue about anything political, but like anything else like that - it kills lots a time just watching the show. Irresistible I guess, huh. Easy to say when you live in US, which is the most poweful country and where there haven't been any significant changes in a very long time. But if you live in some insignificant country that everyone can push around then you absolutely have to be aware of the big picture, otherwise you and your family will suffer the consequences. Seems they are destined to suffer whether they are aware of the big picture or not. No one chooses where they are born, at least I don't think so; I'm grateful for where I landed because I know my own 'horrible' personal problems could be much much worse.
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