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Post by laughter on Jun 17, 2013 19:33:17 GMT -5
What questions are there, really, when there are no answers? Have you ever really found any answers? Sounds like another misconceived question. Only one answer I've received, ultimately--I am. But, I'd never have found that, had I not asked a plethora of other questions, first. Frankly, I'm somewhat offended that peeps around here are so quick to dismiss the necessity of seeking in order to realize that there is nothing for which to seek. B' FWIW I still practice and I don't take what you're referring to as dismissal these days. The question will be there until it ain't and there's no shame in it either way ... even say, in the case of someone denying and suppressing the question when it's still there. It's not a question of betterer or worstest but maybe a question of trust.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 17, 2013 19:39:30 GMT -5
Sounds like another misconceived question. Only one answer I've received, ultimately--I am. But, I'd never have found that, had I not asked a plethora of other questions, first. Frankly, I'm somewhat offended that peeps around here are so quick to dismiss the necessity of seeking in order to realize that there is nothing for which to seek. B' FWIW I still practice and I don't take what you're referring to as dismissal these days. The question will be there until it ain't and there's no shame in it either way ... even say, in the case of someone denying and suppressing the question when it's still there. It's not a question of betterer or worstest but maybe a question of trust. Agreed, no shame either way, which is why it is appalling that some around here make attempts to shame anyone who has a question. Seriously, it makes me wonder if it would be best to bail from this place. Your last sentence, I simply don't understand. Trust? Whom to trust? ... at the risk of getting flak for asking the question, of course.
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Post by laughter on Jun 17, 2013 19:49:36 GMT -5
B' FWIW I still practice and I don't take what you're referring to as dismissal these days. The question will be there until it ain't and there's no shame in it either way ... even say, in the case of someone denying and suppressing the question when it's still there. It's not a question of betterer or worstest but maybe a question of trust. Agreed, no shame either way, which is why it is appalling that some around here make attempts to shame anyone who has a question. Seriously, it makes me wonder if it would be best to bail from this place. Your last sentence, I simply don't understand. Trust? Whom to trust? ... at the risk of getting flak for asking the question, of course. If you trust yourself with the question then who gives a flying f.uck about what anyone else thinks about it?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 17, 2013 19:59:13 GMT -5
Agreed, no shame either way, which is why it is appalling that some around here make attempts to shame anyone who has a question. Seriously, it makes me wonder if it would be best to bail from this place. Your last sentence, I simply don't understand. Trust? Whom to trust? ... at the risk of getting flak for asking the question, of course. If you trust yourself with the question then who gives a flying f.uck about what anyone else thinks about it? Indeed, and I will continue to trust myself with asking the question. Even so, after so long of not giving a flying f*ck, after a while, I suppose, the indifference wears off, and you see what kind of peeps you're amongst, and can't help but wonder if you wanna hang around, anymore. Different question, but one with which I will no less trust myself with.
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Post by silver on Jun 17, 2013 20:19:01 GMT -5
If you trust yourself with the question then who gives a flying f.uck about what anyone else thinks about it? Indeed, and I will continue to trust myself with asking the question. Even so, after so long of not giving a flying f*ck, after a while, I suppose, the indifference wears off, and you see what kind of peeps you're amongst, and can't help but wonder if you wanna hang around, anymore. Different question, but one with which I will no less trust myself with. A little cranky ay? It's all included, yep. Well, you know I learned a thing or two a while back - about not being able to change anybody but myself....but I can still give them a run for their $$$.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 17, 2013 20:29:32 GMT -5
Indeed, and I will continue to trust myself with asking the question. Even so, after so long of not giving a flying f*ck, after a while, I suppose, the indifference wears off, and you see what kind of peeps you're amongst, and can't help but wonder if you wanna hang around, anymore. Different question, but one with which I will no less trust myself with. A little cranky ay? It's all included, yep. Well, you know I learned a thing or two a while back - about not being able to change anybody but myself....but I can still give them a run for their $$$. Do you think I'm trying to change anyone?
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Post by silver on Jun 17, 2013 20:31:29 GMT -5
A little cranky ay? It's all included, yep. Well, you know I learned a thing or two a while back - about not being able to change anybody but myself....but I can still give them a run for their $$$. Do you think I'm trying to change anyone? No. Wasn't exactly my point, but nevermind.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 17, 2013 20:38:31 GMT -5
If you trust yourself with the question then who gives a flying f.uck about what anyone else thinks about it? Indeed, and I will continue to trust myself with asking the question. Even so, after so long of not giving a flying f*ck, after a while, I suppose, the indifference wears off, and you see what kind of peeps you're amongst, and can't help but wonder if you wanna hang around, anymore. Different question, but one with which I will no less trust myself with. Listen BeingBeingist, Laffy has hit a key point here from which to dissolve back into Being. There's a trust, which is just a word we can use that expresses a non-personal vantage point of Being. It ain't perfect, and like all words, there's a lot that can be loaded into it like "trust what?", "there must be some point of reference" , and so on and so forth (mind games). If you don't genuinely feel that "trust", something feels betrayed, and it's possibly something the little you holds dear. It is kind of depressing from little you's perspective, but that's not what is being pointed to. There's an energy that moves one off the precipice...there's a free fall. Once UNDERSTOOD, the shift is so subtle....so ridiculously f'ing simple, the mind simply can not grasp. Thus the torment, the depression, the endless seeking (however subtle or un-noticeable), the constant desire to balance, to integrate, to develop....and then the stumble and fall into utter darkness which just doesn't/can't seem right....the let go, somehow forced into your hand,,,, the shining brilliantly as Being. Just madness to the mind, just maddening beauty as What Is. IT IS PERFECT. No question....
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Post by Beingist on Jun 17, 2013 20:44:06 GMT -5
Indeed, and I will continue to trust myself with asking the question. Even so, after so long of not giving a flying f*ck, after a while, I suppose, the indifference wears off, and you see what kind of peeps you're amongst, and can't help but wonder if you wanna hang around, anymore. Different question, but one with which I will no less trust myself with. Listen BeingBeingist, Laffy has hit a key point here from which to dissolve back into Being. There's a trust, which is just a word we can use that expresses a non-personal vantage point of Being. It ain't perfect, and like all words, there's a lot that can be loaded into it like "trust what?", "there must be some point of reference" , and so on and so forth (mind games). If you don't genuinely feel that "trust", something feels betrayed, and it's possibly something the little you holds dear. It is kind of depressing from little you's perspective, but that's not what is being pointed to. There's an energy that moves one off the precipice...there's a free fall. Once UNDERSTOOD, the shift is so subtle....so ridiculously f'ing simple, the mind simply can not grasp. Thus the torment, the depression, the endless seeking (however subtle or un-noticeable), the constant desire to balance, to integrate, to develop....and then the stumble and fall into utter darkness which just doesn't/can't seem right....the let go, somehow forced into your hand,,,, the shining brilliantly as Being. Just madness to the mind, just maddening beauty as What Is. IT IS PERFECT. No question.... What in the world are you talking about?
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Post by silence on Jun 17, 2013 20:48:25 GMT -5
You mean you deserve your seeking time and nobody better take that away from you? You would assume that. I don't know how else pointing out that your questions are misconceived becomes dismissal to you unless the seeking itself is being cherished and held onto.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 17, 2013 20:57:50 GMT -5
Listen BeingBeingist, Laffy has hit a key point here from which to dissolve back into Being. There's a trust, which is just a word we can use that expresses a non-personal vantage point of Being. It ain't perfect, and like all words, there's a lot that can be loaded into it like "trust what?", "there must be some point of reference" , and so on and so forth (mind games). If you don't genuinely feel that "trust", something feels betrayed, and it's possibly something the little you holds dear. It is kind of depressing from little you's perspective, but that's not what is being pointed to. There's an energy that moves one off the precipice...there's a free fall. Once UNDERSTOOD, the shift is so subtle....so ridiculously f'ing simple, the mind simply can not grasp. Thus the torment, the depression, the endless seeking (however subtle or un-noticeable), the constant desire to balance, to integrate, to develop....and then the stumble and fall into utter darkness which just doesn't/can't seem right....the let go, somehow forced into your hand,,,, the shining brilliantly as Being. Just madness to the mind, just maddening beauty as What Is. IT IS PERFECT. No question.... What in the world are you talking about? Just crap, I guess.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 17, 2013 21:02:33 GMT -5
I don't know how else pointing out that your questions are misconceived becomes dismissal to you unless the seeking itself is being cherished and held onto. Yes. Even the depression feels better than being without any substance, which has been assumed all along.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 17, 2013 21:02:42 GMT -5
I don't know how else pointing out that your questions are misconceived becomes dismissal to you unless the seeking itself is being cherished and held onto. I'm not cherishing them for myself. I've only been saying all along that there is a need to seek before one can discover (or realize) that there's nothing to seek. You're making the assumption that I'm holding on to seeking, when, in fact, I'm speaking up for the right, nay the need, for any spiritual seeker to seek at all. Now, you echo E's sentiments that internal inquiry is 'misconceived'. Do you ever inquire within? Have you never asked yourself a question? So, Ramana instructed his students to ask themselves misconceived questions? You presume a lot, mister Iknoweverything.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 17, 2013 21:12:51 GMT -5
I don't know how else pointing out that your questions are misconceived becomes dismissal to you unless the seeking itself is being cherished and held onto. I'm not cherishing them for myself. I've only been saying all along that there is a need to seek before one can discover (or realize) that there's nothing to seek. You're making the assumption that I'm holding on to seeking, when, in fact, I'm speaking up for the right, nay the need, for any spiritual seeker to seek at all. Now, you echo E's sentiments that internal inquiry is 'misconceived'. Do you ever inquire within? Have you never asked yourself a question? So, Ramana instructed his students to ask themselves misconceived questions? You presume a lot, mister Iknoweverything. In your opinion does seeking need to be condoned to continue? Is the emptiness to continue seeking fulfillment or to be found by what has actually been looking all along?
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Post by silence on Jun 17, 2013 21:18:48 GMT -5
I don't know how else pointing out that your questions are misconceived becomes dismissal to you unless the seeking itself is being cherished and held onto. I'm not cherishing them for myself. I've only been saying all along that there is a need to seek before one can discover (or realize) that there's nothing to seek. You're making the assumption that I'm holding on to seeking, when, in fact, I'm speaking up for the right, nay the need, for any spiritual seeker to seek at all. Now, you echo E's sentiments that internal inquiry is 'misconceived'. Do you ever inquire within? Have you never asked yourself a question? So, Ramana instructed his students to ask themselves misconceived questions? You presume a lot, mister Iknoweverything. You've basically begun to shut down at this point it would seem. I'm not demonizing seeking or inquiry but I will point out how the questions are flawed so that they may fall away. Even you are stating here that the goal of the seeking is to realize there's nothing to seek. So again, I say you're gripping tightly to the seeking itself as a safety net. I'm quite sure you recognize I nor anyone else has any ability to infringe upon your right to ask yourself questions to your hearts delight.
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