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Post by enigma on Apr 9, 2013 21:02:18 GMT -5
I'm making a case for discernment. The discernment just occurred that maybe Top was doing the same thing you do in the Satan/Pagan symbol discussion. Maybe he disabled his ability to discern the symbolism of good and evil in the name of non-judgment, and therefore became dysfunctional in his attempts to communicate what he was trying to communicate. How are you planning to divorce yourself from dualistic experience such that you don't know beauty/ugliness, joy/sorrow, wonder/banality, pleasure/pain, and why do you want to? (Now I sound like Figgy)  I've never experienced anything evil. I'm not trying to deny it, I just don't recognize it. What I get upset and frustrated with is when people call something evil and I don't experience it that way. I've always been able to find a reason, mostly abuse and mistreatment, or a broken machine, such as chemical imbalance or psychological disorder. So in essence, when I love something and someone else wants to condemn it, I feel outraged. How do you know you've never experienced anything evil if you've never experienced what evil is so that you know whether or not you've experienced it? If you know what it refers to in spite of the fact that you've never experienced it, then you know what it is and you don't need to experience it. Rather than turning that into an ambiguous paradox, we can just say that evil, for you, must be the most heinous, inhuman act you've ever experienced or imagined, and there clearly is one. If you think evil is defined differently, then you have defined it and need do no more for it to be recognizable to you. But really, we're not talking about the recognition of evil. We're talking about that "frustration". There will always be somebody willing to spit on what you love, just as they spit on Jesus. Forgive them for they know not what they do. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 9, 2013 21:23:01 GMT -5
I've never experienced anything evil. I'm not trying to deny it, I just don't recognize it. What I get upset and frustrated with is when people call something evil and I don't experience it that way. I've always been able to find a reason, mostly abuse and mistreatment, or a broken machine, such as chemical imbalance or psychological disorder. So in essence, when I love something and someone else wants to condemn it, I feel outraged. Dear Dude/Dudette, Evil is just one extreme end of the good/bad or positive/negative stick. If we can see it that way then your statement loses its validity. Important is the first kneejerk response, not with what you come up after rationalizing it down into something that fits more your ideal self-image. Go back to your anti-adventist eruption in reply to Silver and you will see that you were far out on the extreme negative end of that positive/negative or good/bad stick for quite a while. edit: also, there seems to be much more core Christian programming running smoothly in your mental background than you might be willing to admit at the moment. It usually shows up in style discussions. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Yes, I see that too, though mostly it's the rebellion that is operating in the underground; evil sexual content and forbidden language and symbols. (Not that there's anything wrong with that) |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2013 21:27:22 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Evil is just one extreme end of the good/bad or positive/negative stick. If we can see it that way then your statement loses its validity. Important is the first kneejerk response, not with what you come up after rationalizing it down into something that fits more your ideal self-image. Go back to your anti-adventist eruption in reply to Silver and you will see that you were far out on the extreme negative end of that positive/negative or good/bad stick for quite a while. edit: also, there seems to be much more core Christian programming running smoothly in your mental background than you might be willing to admit at the moment. It usually shows up in style discussions. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize You think I'm not conscious of my christian leanings? I talk about the Course in Miracles and I use many parables from the bible. Sorry, Evil is something more than just bad. Evil is anti-Life. There's no point to the conception or having a term if it was defined as "extremely extremely bad". So you tell me, when was the last time you called something evil and meant it with conviction in the worst sense that it entails? Dear Dude/Dudette, Word games, "extremely extremely bad" really is just "something more than just bad". Since all is life and alive, there can't be anything anti-life anyway. You've missed the point. I was talking about style and in that context about Christian etiquette which you seem to have internalized and and still embody to a very high degree. Which also explains why most of the style mafia activities here are orchestrated by you. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 10, 2013 5:27:29 GMT -5
Greetings.. Marie and I were just in the park, and we were talking about a beautiful apple tree that is in full bloom. I mentioned that if all we had were apple trees in bloom, we would not be perceiving the beauty of this one. I pointed out the dead tree behind it and suggested that this tree is also part of that beauty because it too makes the apple tree beautiful. (Maybe we shoulda made a Neo-advaita youtube video of that conversation.) Hehe. Hi E: Nice awareness of the relationship and understanding revealed through experiencing the 'apple trees'.. Does naming that awareness "Neo-advaita" enhance the experience, awareness, and understanding? Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 6:03:37 GMT -5
this is also for topology If the soul can arrive at unity with the Godhead in this vision, —Arjuna has not yet done that, therefore we find that he has fear when he sees,— all even that is terrible in the world loses its terror. We see that it too is an aspect of the Godhead and once we have found his meaning in it, not looking at it by itself alone, we can accept the whole of existence with an all-embracing joy and a mighty courage, go forward with sure steps to the appointed work and envisage beyond it the supreme consummation. The soul admitted to the divine knowledge which beholds all things in one view, not with a divided, partial and therefore bewildered seeing, can make a new discovery of the world and all else that it wills to see, it can move on the basis of this allrelating and all-unifying vision from revelation to completing revelation. The supreme Form is then made visible. It is that of the infinite Godhead whose faces are everywhere and in whom are all the wonders of existence, who multiplies unendingly all the many marvellous revelations of his being, a world-wide Divinity seeing with innumerable eyes, speaking from innumerable mouths, armed for battle with numberless divine uplifted weapons, glorious with divine ornaments of beauty, robed in heavenly raiment of deity, lovely with garlands of divine flowers, fragrant with divine perfumes. Such is the light of this body of God as if a thousand suns had risen at once in heaven. ´´essays on the gita´´ page 378/379 by sri aurobindo free download pdf file here. superb teaching. aurobindo writes from direct spiritual experience, not mental speculation bless...butterfly www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/writings.phpRead more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2721/self-inquiry?scrollTo=114172&page=24#ixzz2Q3aNkwVh |
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Post by laughter on Apr 10, 2013 9:39:54 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Evil is just one extreme end of the good/bad or positive/negative stick. If we can see it that way then your statement loses its validity. Important is the first kneejerk response, not with what you come up after rationalizing it down into something that fits more your ideal self-image. Go back to your anti-adventist eruption in reply to Silver and you will see that you were far out on the extreme negative end of that positive/negative or good/bad stick for quite a while. edit: also, there seems to be much more core Christian programming running smoothly in your mental background than you might be willing to admit at the moment. It usually shows up in style discussions. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Yes, I see that too, though mostly it's the rebellion that is operating in the underground; evil sexual content and forbidden language and symbols. (Not that there's anything wrong with that) Well I just attributed the bias toward semantic grounded in eros to be a foreground expression of the subliminal message conveyed by his old avatar rather than being rooted in Christian attitudes toward the body ... the hat had horns you know. |
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Post by topology on Apr 10, 2013 9:58:03 GMT -5
this is also for topology If the soul can arrive at unity with the Godhead in this vision, —Arjuna has not yet done that, therefore we find that he has fear when he sees,— all even that is terrible in the world loses its terror. We see that it too is an aspect of the Godhead and once we have found his meaning in it, not looking at it by itself alone, we can accept the whole of existence with an all-embracing joy and a mighty courage, go forward with sure steps to the appointed work and envisage beyond it the supreme consummation. The soul admitted to the divine knowledge which beholds all things in one view, not with a divided, partial and therefore bewildered seeing, can make a new discovery of the world and all else that it wills to see, it can move on the basis of this allrelating and all-unifying vision from revelation to completing revelation. The supreme Form is then made visible. It is that of the infinite Godhead whose faces are everywhere and in whom are all the wonders of existence, who multiplies unendingly all the many marvellous revelations of his being, a world-wide Divinity seeing with innumerable eyes, speaking from innumerable mouths, armed for battle with numberless divine uplifted weapons, glorious with divine ornaments of beauty, robed in heavenly raiment of deity, lovely with garlands of divine flowers, fragrant with divine perfumes. Such is the light of this body of God as if a thousand suns had risen at once in heaven. ´´essays on the gita´´ page 378/379 by sri aurobindo free download pdf file here. superb teaching. aurobindo writes from direct spiritual experience, not mental speculation bless...butterfly www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/writings.phpRead more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2721/self-inquiry?scrollTo=114172&page=24#ixzz2Q3aNkwVhI've read the bahagavad gita. I got all I needed from it in that reading. This is just another pretext for advertising Sri Aurobindo. |
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Post by topology on Apr 10, 2013 10:01:07 GMT -5
Yes, I see that too, though mostly it's the rebellion that is operating in the underground; evil sexual content and forbidden language and symbols. (Not that there's anything wrong with that) Well I just attributed the bias toward semantic grounded in eros to be a foreground expression of the subliminal message conveyed by his old avatar rather than being rooted in Christian attitudes toward the body ... the hat had horns you know.  ...  Maybe I need to get laid. I wonder if the bearded lady is available. We could sin all night long. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 10, 2013 10:03:46 GMT -5
Well I just attributed the bias toward semantic grounded in eros to be a foreground expression of the subliminal message conveyed by his old avatar rather than being rooted in Christian attitudes toward the body ... the hat had horns you know. ... Maybe I need to get laid.
I wonder if the bearded lady is available. We could sin all night long. ... well ... uhm ... not my style to put such a subject so bluntly ... but ... ok ... |
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Post by topology on Apr 10, 2013 10:10:12 GMT -5
... Maybe I need to get laid.
I wonder if the bearded lady is available. We could sin all night long. ... well ... uhm ... not my style to put such a subject so bluntly ... but ... ok ... Are you afraid to as insert your self directly? |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 10, 2013 10:11:34 GMT -5
Well I just attributed the bias toward semantic grounded in eros to be a foreground expression of the subliminal message conveyed by his old avatar rather than being rooted in Christian attitudes toward the body ... the hat had horns you know. Maybe I need to get laid.
I wonder if the bearded lady is available. We could sin all night long. Dear Dude/Dudette, Caveman attire and caveman attitude. Not very non-dual.  Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by laughter on Apr 10, 2013 10:19:34 GMT -5
... well ... uhm ... not my style to put such a subject so bluntly ... but ... ok ... Are you afraid to as insert your self directly? No, I'm not. On the other hand, it can be quite fun to wrap a club with nerf before delivering a blow ... it adds to the comedic value of the affair. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 10:45:32 GMT -5
Maybe I need to get laid. I wonder if the bearded lady is available. We could sin all night long. thanks for the chuckle mr. communication geek Rose advised celibacy, Osho to let your freak flag fly, tathagata to rub one out ... whatever gets you through the night I suppose  |
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Post by topology on Apr 10, 2013 10:55:25 GMT -5
Well I just attributed the bias toward semantic grounded in eros to be a foreground expression of the subliminal message conveyed by his old avatar rather than being rooted in Christian attitudes toward the body ... the hat had horns you know. Maybe I need to get laid.
I wonder if the bearded lady is available. We could sin all night long. Dear Dude/Dudette, Caveman attire and caveman attitude. Not very non-dual. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize *flicks the GOB HOB's ear* |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 11:54:12 GMT -5
God judging his creations as good is not non-judgement. It is making dualistic judging irrelevant. I don't have to divorce myself from dualistic experience because perceiving is not dualistic. The perceiving is the beauty, joy, wonder, and pleasure. It is the conceiving of the ugliness, sorrow, banality and pain that I need a divorce lawyer for...  I think Quinn's 'Liberation' thread speaks to your approach in your attempt to eliminate the 'bad' end of those dualistic sticks. The moment you perceive beauty, joy, wonder and pleasure, you also pick up ugliness, sorrow, banality and pain. Marie and I were just in the park, and we were talking about a beautiful apple tree that is in full bloom. I mentioned that if all we had were apple trees in bloom, we would not be perceiving the beauty of this one. I pointed out the dead tree behind it and suggested that this tree is also part of that beauty because it too makes the apple tree beautiful. (Maybe we shoulda made a Neo-advaita youtube video of that conversation.) Hehe. You keep saying that I'm trying to avoid, divorce, and eliminate the minds dualistic functioning but I'm not. Rather I'm attempting to align the mind with the Reality that it IS an expression of Reality. That Reality, God, Enlightenment, NOW, presence, or Love, is an expansion of creation and what that creation gives birth to is the mind. But the mind cannot give birth to God, Love, Enlightenment, etc, etc, it can only share that power and give birth to it's own creations. Beauty is not in the perceiving of a live apple tree anymore than ugliness is perceived in a dead tree. The duality is conceived in the mind. The Reality of perceiving itself is complete and whole, no duality is ever experienced. So the conceiving mind is aligned with duality and not with the eternal moment or perceiving which holds no duality. Your saying that the mind conceives beauty in the live tree and than conceives that it's beauty lays in the duality of ugliness. It conceives ugliness in a dead tree and than conceives it's ugliness lays in the duality of beauty. That's the minds time based attempt at non-duality gymnastics. On the other hand, aligning the mind with perceiving, which can only take place in this moment, the mind no longer sees duality in the world, it only sees God in everything. |
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