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Post by silence on Dec 15, 2012 15:08:49 GMT -5
Progress!!! Why do you want an easier life? Well, I dunno if it was about that specifically, it was definitely about wanting to be a better person, be more confident, less hateful and angry, be more happy, etc. That's why I started reading Tolle and Maharaj and stuff like that. It was all self-improvement but I lied to myself and said I wanted 'truth' or something. I just wanted to be better than others.. more knowledgable. I thought spirituality could get me there, but bear in mind this was back in 2010 before I became depersonalised. Nowadays I don't really care about anything cos I don't feel like a self anymore. I reckon about now it's like you just realized you walked into the wrong classroom entirely and now it's time to slowly back away.
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Post by enigma on Dec 15, 2012 16:49:36 GMT -5
So, Silence, you say that my pain comes from constantly hitting myself over the head with a hammer? And you say to stop the pain I just have to put the reincarnation hammer aside? Hm. I don't find that very practical. Don't you have any better suggestions? ;D Well, you can always roll the dice and visit a fortune teller. Who knows, your next life might be really sweet. You might be an enlightened billionaire who rides jetski's all day while talking to jesus. Su-weeet!
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Post by enigma on Dec 15, 2012 16:51:52 GMT -5
Well, I dunno if it was about that specifically, it was definitely about wanting to be a better person, be more confident, less hateful and angry, be more happy, etc. That's why I started reading Tolle and Maharaj and stuff like that. It was all self-improvement but I lied to myself and said I wanted 'truth' or something. I just wanted to be better than others.. more knowledgable. I thought spirituality could get me there, but bear in mind this was back in 2010 before I became depersonalised. Nowadays I don't really care about anything cos I don't feel like a self anymore. I reckon about now it's like you just realized you walked into the wrong classroom entirely and now it's time to slowly back away. This isn't home economics?.......Oops!
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 15, 2012 19:19:09 GMT -5
Greetings..
The question, "What is actually liberating about 'no self'?", appears to assume the condition of 'no self', which then creates the conflict between the 'self' as an individual's reference and 'self-awareness, and the idea of 'no self'..
It is curious, that there must be an existent 'self', so that other 'selfs', as they distinguish themselves from others, can discuss the concept of 'no self'.. 'self' and 'no self' are ideas, thoughts, and concepts that occur in the mind, what is it that remains when the mind is silent, when the thoughts cease?
'Still the mind', suspend the thinking processes.. thoughts, beliefs, memories, knowing, expectations, fears all fall silent in the still mind.. there is just the seeing, the experiencing, the 'isness'.. Life revealing itself as it 'is', rather than how we 'think' it is..
Don't worry about 'self' or 'no self', Life will happen regardless, and.. from 'my' experience, Liberation happens when i'm not distracted with philosophizing and building a reality of illusions.. what remains when the mind is still? clarity and liberation!
Be well..
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Post by laughter on Dec 15, 2012 19:24:40 GMT -5
Progress!!! Why do you want an easier life? Well, I dunno if it was about that specifically, it was definitely about wanting to be a better person, be more confident, less hateful and angry, be more happy, etc. That's why I started reading Tolle and Maharaj and stuff like that. It was all self-improvement but I lied to myself and said I wanted 'truth' or something. I just wanted to be better than others.. more knowledgable. I thought spirituality could get me there, but bear in mind this was back in 2010 before I became depersonalised. Nowadays I don't really care about anything cos I don't feel like a self anymore. Midnight, if I'm not mistaken, that's the first time in the last two years that I've heard you reveal this. Is it something that was on the front of your mind or something you've just recently sort of discovered here?
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Post by whiteshaman on Dec 15, 2012 21:23:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. The question, " What is actually liberating about 'no self'?", appears to assume the condition of 'no self', which then creates the conflict between the 'self' as an individual's reference and 'self-awareness, and the idea of 'no self'.. It is curious, that there must be an existent 'self', so that other 'selfs', as they distinguish themselves from others, can discuss the concept of 'no self'.. 'self' and 'no self' are ideas, thoughts, and concepts that occur in the mind, what is it that remains when the mind is silent, when the thoughts cease? 'Still the mind', suspend the thinking processes.. thoughts, beliefs, memories, knowing, expectations, fears all fall silent in the still mind.. there is just the seeing, the experiencing, the 'isness'.. Life revealing itself as it 'is', rather than how we 'think' it is.. Don't worry about 'self' or 'no self', Life will happen regardless, and.. from 'my' experience, Liberation happens when i'm not distracted with philosophizing and building a reality of illusions.. what remains when the mind is still? clarity and liberation! Be well.. Hi brother and welcome. I'm kinda new here too. While I agree with this post, I have to ask myself why do we even come here and do this forum thing. Self, no self, isness, suspending thought and seeing is what is being talked about but lets face it...if it's being talked about, debated even, it's something else. It seems what you speak of, what the self/no selfers speak of, if truly grasped, would create silence. But it doesn't so the obvious reason is that peeps are all talking out of their ashes.... It's all good, don't get me wrong but lets see it for what it is.
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Post by topology on Dec 15, 2012 21:29:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. The question, " What is actually liberating about 'no self'?", appears to assume the condition of 'no self', which then creates the conflict between the 'self' as an individual's reference and 'self-awareness, and the idea of 'no self'.. It is curious, that there must be an existent 'self', so that other 'selfs', as they distinguish themselves from others, can discuss the concept of 'no self'.. 'self' and 'no self' are ideas, thoughts, and concepts that occur in the mind, what is it that remains when the mind is silent, when the thoughts cease? 'Still the mind', suspend the thinking processes.. thoughts, beliefs, memories, knowing, expectations, fears all fall silent in the still mind.. there is just the seeing, the experiencing, the 'isness'.. Life revealing itself as it 'is', rather than how we 'think' it is.. Don't worry about 'self' or 'no self', Life will happen regardless, and.. from 'my' experience, Liberation happens when i'm not distracted with philosophizing and building a reality of illusions.. what remains when the mind is still? clarity and liberation! Be well.. Who unleashed the Krakken?!? ;D
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Post by whiteshaman on Dec 15, 2012 21:36:20 GMT -5
Life releases the Krakken when balance has been jepodized. God bless the Krakken.
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Post by silver on Dec 15, 2012 21:55:14 GMT -5
I don't even know what a Krakken is! Oh, goooogle~*
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Post by whiteshaman on Dec 15, 2012 22:26:19 GMT -5
I don't even know what a Krakken is! Oh, goooogle~* That's cuz, I think, most women don't get into movies like Clash of the Titans or Sinbad. I have a wife and 3 daughters and when they come on, I am usually watching them alone....lol
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Post by enigma on Dec 15, 2012 23:32:12 GMT -5
Greetings.. The question, " What is actually liberating about 'no self'?", appears to assume the condition of 'no self', which then creates the conflict between the 'self' as an individual's reference and 'self-awareness, and the idea of 'no self'.. It is curious, that there must be an existent 'self', so that other 'selfs', as they distinguish themselves from others, can discuss the concept of 'no self'.. 'self' and 'no self' are ideas, thoughts, and concepts that occur in the mind, what is it that remains when the mind is silent, when the thoughts cease? 'Still the mind', suspend the thinking processes.. thoughts, beliefs, memories, knowing, expectations, fears all fall silent in the still mind.. there is just the seeing, the experiencing, the 'isness'.. Life revealing itself as it 'is', rather than how we 'think' it is.. Don't worry about 'self' or 'no self', Life will happen regardless, and.. from 'my' experience, Liberation happens when i'm not distracted with philosophizing and building a reality of illusions.. what remains when the mind is still? clarity and liberation! Be well.. Hi brother and welcome. I'm kinda new here too. While I agree with this post, I have to ask myself why do we even come here and do this forum thing. Self, no self, isness, suspending thought and seeing is what is being talked about but lets face it...if it's being talked about, debated even, it's something else. It seems what you speak of, what the self/no selfers speak of, if truly grasped, would create silence. But it doesn't so the obvious reason is that peeps are all talking out of their ashes.... It's all good, don't get me wrong but lets see it for what it is. As in, suddenly there's no talking anymore? Then whatup with Ramana and Niz and Buddha et al?
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Post by enigma on Dec 15, 2012 23:34:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. The question, " What is actually liberating about 'no self'?", appears to assume the condition of 'no self', which then creates the conflict between the 'self' as an individual's reference and 'self-awareness, and the idea of 'no self'.. It is curious, that there must be an existent 'self', so that other 'selfs', as they distinguish themselves from others, can discuss the concept of 'no self'.. 'self' and 'no self' are ideas, thoughts, and concepts that occur in the mind, what is it that remains when the mind is silent, when the thoughts cease? 'Still the mind', suspend the thinking processes.. thoughts, beliefs, memories, knowing, expectations, fears all fall silent in the still mind.. there is just the seeing, the experiencing, the 'isness'.. Life revealing itself as it 'is', rather than how we 'think' it is.. Don't worry about 'self' or 'no self', Life will happen regardless, and.. from 'my' experience, Liberation happens when i'm not distracted with philosophizing and building a reality of illusions.. what remains when the mind is still? clarity and liberation! Be well.. Who unleashed the Krakken?!? ;D
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 16, 2012 0:41:34 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. The question, " What is actually liberating about 'no self'?", appears to assume the condition of 'no self', which then creates the conflict between the 'self' as an individual's reference and 'self-awareness, and the idea of 'no self'.. It is curious, that there must be an existent 'self', so that other 'selfs', as they distinguish themselves from others, can discuss the concept of 'no self'.. 'self' and 'no self' are ideas, thoughts, and concepts that occur in the mind, what is it that remains when the mind is silent, when the thoughts cease? 'Still the mind', suspend the thinking processes.. thoughts, beliefs, memories, knowing, expectations, fears all fall silent in the still mind.. there is just the seeing, the experiencing, the 'isness'.. Life revealing itself as it 'is', rather than how we 'think' it is.. Don't worry about 'self' or 'no self', Life will happen regardless, and.. from 'my' experience, Liberation happens when i'm not distracted with philosophizing and building a reality of illusions.. what remains when the mind is still? clarity and liberation! Be well.. Hi brother and welcome. I'm kinda new here too. While I agree with this post, I have to ask myself why do we even come here and do this forum thing. Self, no self, isness, suspending thought and seeing is what is being talked about but lets face it...if it's being talked about, debated even, it's something else. It seems what you speak of, what the self/no selfers speak of, if truly grasped, would create silence. But it doesn't so the obvious reason is that peeps are all talking out of their ashes.... It's all good, don't get me wrong but lets see it for what it is. Hi WS: What is obvious to you may not be obvious to others.. what i speak of, 'stillness', and even 'silence', is not related to noise or sound, it is a state of mind, a state of awareness.. a state where the is no 'mental dialogue', which is itself an odd condition, i mean the dialogue is happening in your mind, talking with yourself.. Rather than, " It seems what you speak of, what the self/no selfers speak of, if truly grasped, would create silence", it has been my experience that it reveals clarity, and.. for those intervals of 'stillness', the mind's filter of beliefs, conditioning, expectations, simply fall away, exposing the experiencer to Life happening.. so, rather than 'creating silence', it is my experience that it creates understanding.. understanding my relationship with Life and existence, understanding the interconnectedness of all 'that is', and understanding the relationship of 'All That Is' with the 'Void', the absence of 'isness'.. The 'still mind' isn't 'grasped', it's realized, revealed, it happens, often unintentionally, occasionally through intentional choice.. and, if the result of the 'still mind' experience doesn't conform to expectations, it isn't " the obvious reason is that peeps are all talking out of their ashes...", it is more likely that the participants are not understanding each other's use of language, or that there is a misunderstanding of the 'Body Mind Spirit' relationship.. What i find 'liberating', when the mind is still, is the absence of 'reaction reflexes', insisting or resisting.. where the mind is analyzing, evaluating, remembering, predicting and trying to establish a conceptual relationship with an experience that has already passed, and in the process being distracted from the experience currently unfolding, "lost in thought" so to say.. 'Self' or 'no self', neither is liberating by my account, as it distracts the mind by engaging it in conceptualizing, but.. there is the certainty that each manifested human has its own unique perspective, its own unique history of experiences and relationships with Life, and.. each unique human presence exerts its own force upon Life and existence.. bantering over how to label that relationship is not nearly as important as we seem to 'think' it is.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 16, 2012 0:46:34 GMT -5
Greetings.. Who unleashed the Krakken?!? ;D Sounds like a good 'camp'.. Bee Well..
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Post by Reefs on Dec 16, 2012 2:09:00 GMT -5
So, Silence, you say that my pain comes from constantly hitting myself over the head with a hammer? And you say to stop the pain I just have to put the reincarnation hammer aside? Hm. I don't find that very practical. Don't you have any better suggestions? ;D Well, you can always roll the dice and visit a fortune teller. Who knows, your next life might be really sweet. You might be an enlightened billionaire who rides jetski's all day while talking to jesus. Yeah, I think billionaire-jet-ski-jesus is more up my alley. Makes me feels more on the same level with maserati-buddha and private-jet-krishna. The traditional image of a true master sitting alone on a mountain top or in a cave in the Himalayas is clearly outdated.
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