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Post by enigma on Aug 15, 2012 9:54:58 GMT -5
You know what I don’t like about the story about the zen master who struck the underling with his stick and told him to stop swimming in shallow water or whatever is that there is a time for a ‘teacher’ to back off. When the student was attracting these wild creatures to come onto him, there was nothing wrong with that. The teacher was overstepping his bounds and has no discernible reason to smack him or say anything. It’s not being a show-off – it’s simply what he does. There was no indication in the story that he was doing it to show off, anyway. I think the teacher was just jealous, is my take. We all have these spiritual ‘gifts’ or seeming abilities. It seems the situation is one where the teacher thinks he owns the student. Bad, imo. There is a lot of food for thought in your post, ZD and I really liked it. Yes, we could say that the teacher was seeing a giraffe. The teacher seems to value ordinariness over specialness. If the teacher thinks that the student should be smacked then folowing the same logic the teacher should not be surprised if the student hits back. It's a simple point, which makes me wonder why peeps are working so hard to miss it.
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Post by topology on Aug 15, 2012 10:08:07 GMT -5
Yes, we could say that the teacher was seeing a giraffe. The teacher seems to value ordinariness over specialness. If the teacher thinks that the student should be smacked then folowing the same logic the teacher should not be surprised if the student hits back. It's a simple point, which makes me wonder why peeps are working so hard to miss it. *thwap*. Miss what?
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Post by question on Aug 15, 2012 10:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Aug 15, 2012 10:22:32 GMT -5
**Googling 'hydrophilic sponge'........** "Hydrophilic Foam Blah, blah, blah.... can retain up to 15 times its weight in liquids." Well, there's no advantage there either. Running on water would be more about hydroplaning and fluid dynamics than shoe buoyancy. Water doesn't flatten no matter how hard you hit it, it just moves out of the way, but it takes a while. You're right about the physics of water, but the chemistry (hydrophobicity) is also important. What if you get shoes as big as half a surfboard? That would help a tiny little bit. During your duck satsangs, I'm sure you noticed the ducks greasing their feathers. They are making them water-repellent ;D Water repellent is a good thingy when the objective is static buoyancy, but mostly irrelevant to running on water, which is more applicable to water skiing. The crazy fool on skis is not buoyant at all, and neither are shoes. (hehe) Axchuly, I suspect the 'Greeb method' would be more effective. (wonderful vid, BTW)
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Post by topology on Aug 15, 2012 10:31:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:56:44 GMT -5
Axchuly, I suspect the 'Greeb method' would be more effective. (wonderful vid, BTW) The authority on this is the Jesus Christ Lizard
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Post by question on Aug 15, 2012 11:17:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 11:19:31 GMT -5
nice timing -- right after the Jesus lizard.
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Post by silver on Aug 15, 2012 12:28:58 GMT -5
Yes, we could say that the teacher was seeing a giraffe. The teacher seems to value ordinariness over specialness. If the teacher thinks that the student should be smacked then folowing the same logic the teacher should not be surprised if the student hits back. It's a simple point, which makes me wonder why peeps are working so hard to miss it. Okayy. Why do you want every zm lesson to stand on its own? Aren't some of them lame? Seems like you have a vested interest in their 'success' with One and All......suspicious. Btw, I read the latest and am wondering what you've (not you E) done to my thread! I will check out the Jesus lizard, though.....
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Post by silver on Aug 15, 2012 12:32:39 GMT -5
You'd be surprised how many cranky domesticated critters will respond to those with 'whisperer' or 'special' abilities. It's certainly not special if one has a degree of that ability. Surely a zm doesn't expect each student to be like a cookie cutter of the next one. I guess the 'uniforms' would point in that direction, though...so, how much different is it from say a Catholic school or a military school? Sorry for that tangent, but it just comes into play, naturally...simply wondering out loud here. I don't have any reason to believe the Zen story refers to house pets, cranky or otherwise. MmmHmm. It's neither here nor there~!
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Post by topology on Aug 15, 2012 12:51:22 GMT -5
It's a simple point, which makes me wonder why peeps are working so hard to miss it. Okayy. Why do you want every zm lesson to stand on its own? Aren't some of them lame? Seems like you have a vested interest in their 'success' with One and All......suspicious. Btw, I read the latest and am wondering what you've (not you E) done to my thread! I will check out the Jesus lizard, though..... I don't know what you're talking about, silver. I was just "getting physical"
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Post by silver on Aug 15, 2012 12:54:41 GMT -5
Okayy. Why do you want every zm lesson to stand on its own? Aren't some of them lame? Seems like you have a vested interest in their 'success' with One and All......suspicious. Btw, I read the latest and am wondering what you've (not you E) done to my thread! I will check out the Jesus lizard, though..... I don't know what you're talking about, silver. I was just "getting physical" ~Smirk~ Allright for you. No more karma points for a week! ;D And ty question for that! Excellent.
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Post by silver on Aug 15, 2012 13:06:59 GMT -5
You know what I don’t like about the story about the zen master who struck the underling with his stick and told him to stop swimming in shallow water or whatever is that there is a time for a ‘teacher’ to back off. When the student was attracting these wild creatures to come onto him, there was nothing wrong with that. The teacher was overstepping his bounds and has no discernible reason to smack him or say anything. It’s not being a show-off – it’s simply what he does. There was no indication in the story that he was doing it to show off, anyway. I think the teacher was just jealous, is my take. We all have these spiritual ‘gifts’ or seeming abilities. It seems the situation is one where the teacher thinks he owns the student. Bad, imo. There is a lot of food for thought in your post, ZD and I really liked it. Yes, we could say that the teacher was seeing a giraffe. The teacher seems to value ordinariness over specialness. If the teacher thinks that the student should be smacked then folowing the same logic the teacher should not be surprised if the student hits back. I meant to say I appreciate your line of thinking, Q.
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Post by silver on Aug 15, 2012 14:27:56 GMT -5
Ah well, no use going pedantic on ya~* I soooo love this clip. {How do you do that?}
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Post by topology on Aug 15, 2012 15:25:02 GMT -5
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