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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2012 13:02:18 GMT -5
Even lying can be strenuous ~ who knew?
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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2012 14:05:17 GMT -5
I liked her previous youtube vid.
But the question popped into my mind is does it apply to those who have mental issues? Just wondering out loud...
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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2012 15:06:45 GMT -5
This lying business also brings to mind the movie, Firestarter and how the bad guy was able to shield his thoughts from her. Do Zen type people have this ability? Or something like it? Does anyone here have the ability to mind-read?
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Post by topology on Aug 13, 2012 15:54:44 GMT -5
I liked her previous youtube vid. But the question popped into my mind is does it apply to those who have mental issues? Just wondering out loud... There is a lot of energy that goes into maintaining intentional lies. You have to model what other people know and what knowledge they will come into. You have to keep track what lies you've told so they stay consistent. While you are lying there are body-language cues which you have to learn to mask, but the fact that you are masking the cues is also transmitted through body language. The other person begins to get the sense that you're managing information. Mental pauses, body is tense, etc. This is when someone is intentionally lying and has not yet become a master liar. A master liar will have adapted the body cues. He will also have worn down his own distinction between truth and falsity so that he doesn't perceive a difference as that would be conveyed through body language. He also will not maintain any prolonged relationships in order to prevent people from accumulating enough information to catch him in a lie. Mostly though its a mastery of the appearance of self-confidence and conviction in what he is saying. When he speaks a falsity but everything about his manner says he believes it as truth, the person hearing the lie will believe that the liar believes the statement as truth. If trust is there, the hearer will pass on the lie as truth. People can lie without admitting to themselves it is a lie. Pretty much any social or group belief is a lie we tell ourselves we believe just to fit in. This happens not just in religious circles but also within the fields of Science. There's a dogma there, that if you don't agree with it you get excommunicated. For a long time, if anyone challenged the idea that the DNA controlled everything, they would get laughed out of the room. So people go along with the group assumption until the belief in it is automatic. People will also lie and get away with it because that is what the listener wants to hear. I have a good friend who is a Bishop and has dialogues with many preachers of different christian faiths. Many of those preachers are more liberal in their personal beliefs than what they tell the congregation. They know they are lying to the congregation because that is what the congregation wants to hear. Or its the official position of the church. And then you have those that lie due to mental illness, Sociopaths and Psychopaths. And often you can't tell if they are lying. --------- I am sure that awakening helps you become a better lie detector. You are integrating all of your senses and you can detect when something is "off" with another person. Energy, Body Language, Intention, The degree to which they share themselves, motive behind what is said, etc.
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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2012 16:10:30 GMT -5
Good post - good information, Top - well put.
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Post by topology on Aug 13, 2012 16:21:47 GMT -5
Good post - good information, Top - well put. *Tips the hat* Thank You, my lady.
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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2012 21:02:07 GMT -5
All I know is that for the most part, I make a pi$$ poor liar.
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Post by enigma on Aug 13, 2012 21:53:46 GMT -5
All I know is that for the most part, I make a pi$$ poor liar. I don't believe you.......
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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2012 22:57:18 GMT -5
All I know is that for the most part, I make a pi$$ poor liar. I don't believe you....... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by topology on Aug 14, 2012 9:29:17 GMT -5
Amateur but still fun to watch.
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Post by silver on Aug 14, 2012 13:20:52 GMT -5
Aw hey, Top, that was fun to watch ~ they were definitely having some fun, especially with the arms thing.
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Post by andrew on Aug 14, 2012 13:47:06 GMT -5
"No matter how many times I have seen it, I still watch it again." Yes, that's the kind we're looking for. The kind we can't stop watching. Welcome in, Andrew. Thanks Silver, here is a little contribution. Probably not the kind of video to watch over and over again, but what they are doing looks all kinds of fun to me. Some of the comments suggest that there is trickery going on, but I would like to think that the runners are serious in their ridiculousness! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQ
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Post by zendancer on Aug 14, 2012 16:13:41 GMT -5
This lying business also brings to mind the movie, Firestarter and how the bad guy was able to shield his thoughts from her. Do Zen type people have this ability? Or something like it? Does anyone here have the ability to mind-read? FWIW, Zen folks eschew any kind of specialness. It is considered bad form, a kind of spiritual sickness. It usually manifests as "Look at me; I'm special," which is the opposite of what Zen is interested in. At the same time many sages and spiritual masters have done strange and/or miraculous things from time to time. ZM Seung Sahn used to talk about the Zen diagram of spiritual development. It's a more involved metaphor than the "mountains are mountains, then mountains are not mountains, but ultimately mountains are once again mountains." On the 360 degree Zen circle (the circle around Mt. Woo Woo?), there is an area that is considered the area of supernatural or miraculous stuff, and people are warned not to get stuck there. As a result of meditation, sometimes deep states of unity of mind/body/universe can occur that can produce strange occurences of communion. Many people, such as St. Francis of Assisi, have communed with animals. One famous Zen story concerned a monk who had a big kensho experience, and afterwards birds would fly down and sit on his shoulder and deer would follow him around. His teacher saw him one day with birds sitting on his shoulders, and he whacked him with his Zen stick and told him "to stop playing in the shallow water." The monk had a subsequent experience, and the birds supposedly never landed on him again. The most famous story along this line is the story of two Zen monks who came to a river. One of the monks pulled up his robes and waded across. The other monk walked across the river on top of the water. When they got to the other side, the monk who had waded across said, "If I had known you were that kind of a monk, I'd have broken your legs before we ever got to the water!" Ha ha. From a survey of the world's spiritual literature all kinds of unusual stuff has been reported. Kabir, the great 15th century Hindu/Muslim mystic, supposedly raised a guy from the dead and performed all kinds of other "miracles." Today, Kabir has about three million followers in India. The religion is called "Kabirpanthism." While he was alive, Kabir railed against the priests in both Hinduism and Islam, and the clergy hated his guts. He told people that they were more likely to find God outside of the temples than inside them and that the spiritual leaders of all the local religions were clueless. Does that sound familiar? After he died, both religions then claimed him as a saint. What a laugh! Several Tibetan lamas have reportedly done strange things. In one case, a lama reportedly grabbed the hand of a doubting monk and pushed it through a solid rock wall to show him that the world was not what he imagined. St. John of the Cross was imprisoned in a monastery cell for refusing to wear shoes. One night the monk who was acting as his jailor reported that his room was filled with a strange light and the light was coming from John. Later, John discovered his cell door unlocked. He walked out and suddenly stepped to the top of a thirty-foot high rock wall without knowing how he did that. St. Theresa reportedly frightened the nuns in her nunnery by occasionally floating up to the ceiling of the chapel while she was praying. She was reportedly embarrassed by her levitation. Ha ha. There are thousands of such stories. Who knows which ones are an accurate record of what happened? One thing is for sure; the world does not always obey the seemingly fixed "laws" of physics, and anyone who has has big kensho experiences discovers that the universe/THIS can do whatever it wants to do. The truth can sometimes be stranger than fiction. This body/mind once experienced a day during which people became an open book. I can't explain it, but I met people and knew exactly what was on their minds. If I had gone to a ZM and said, "Hey, guess what? I can read peoples' minds," I'd have probably got whacked hard with a Zen stick. Weird things may occasionally happen on this path, but the rule is "Don't seek anything special. Just go about your business and be an ordinary guy or gal." Nothing is deeper than not-knowing and being ordinary.
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Post by enigma on Aug 14, 2012 18:39:54 GMT -5
"No matter how many times I have seen it, I still watch it again." Yes, that's the kind we're looking for. The kind we can't stop watching. Welcome in, Andrew. Thanks Silver, here is a little contribution. Probably not the kind of video to watch over and over again, but what they are doing looks all kinds of fun to me. Some of the comments suggest that there is trickery going on, but I would like to think that the runners are serious in their ridiculousness! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQHehe. Axchooly, the physics doesn't entirely dismiss the idea. Water doesn't compress well at all, which is why if you hit it fast enough it feels a lot like concrete. However, finding really, really good water repellent shoes is the wrong idea all together. ;D
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Post by silver on Aug 14, 2012 19:46:48 GMT -5
"No matter how many times I have seen it, I still watch it again." Yes, that's the kind we're looking for. The kind we can't stop watching. Welcome in, Andrew. Thanks Silver, here is a little contribution. Probably not the kind of video to watch over and over again, but what they are doing looks all kinds of fun to me. Some of the comments suggest that there is trickery going on, but I would like to think that the runners are serious in their ridiculousness! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQFunny one ~ and if all else fails, go water-skiing!
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