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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2012 17:43:47 GMT -5
Jesus didn't know himself to be an individual person, so he wasn't referring to himself as such. Hmmm...didn't know that. ;D So, when he told Mary Magdalene upon entering a village- "Don't tell them I am here, or about me (I forget the actual quote)" he was just funnin' with her? I sense he had a grasp on the personal/impersonal conditional/unconditional aspects of who he really was. Of course he did. He wasn't a nondualist either. Hehe.
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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2012 17:45:57 GMT -5
Correct, and pilgrim apparently is. I assume so. ;D
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Post by klaus on Jan 2, 2012 18:30:21 GMT -5
Klaus 'quote' [Jesus blew it by expecting "GOD" to take him off the cross. Instead he left him hanging on the cross to die. He was to into his own image as the messiah saving the nation of Israel. Jesus did not get it.] I dunno I think Jesus did get it. 'Quote' ( you dont need to be a Christian to understand the deep universal truth that is contained in the symbolic form of the image of the cross. The cross is a torture instrument. It stands for the most extreme suffering limitation, and helplessness a human being can encounter. Then suddenly that human being surrenders, suffers willingly , consciously, expressed through the words, { Not my will but Thy will be done.} At that moment , the cross, the torture instrument, shows it hidden face: it is also a sacred symbol, a symbol for the divine. That which seemed to deny the existence of any transcendental dimension to life, through >surrender< becomes an opening into that dimension.) Yes, it was an instrument of torture by which thousands died. Jesus was just one of the thousands. Yes, he went willingly to the cross as his own image of the messiah. And that is where he ended, dead on the cross. What followed was the Myth of Jesus. What we are is prior to ....
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Post by therealfake on Jan 2, 2012 19:28:55 GMT -5
Yes, it was an instrument of torture by which thousands died. Jesus was just one of the thousands. Yes, he went willingly to the cross as his own image of the messiah. And that is where he ended, dead on the cross. What followed was the Myth of Jesus. What we are is prior to .... Myth or not it was masterfully orchestrated. Seems like death is what it took to alter global consciousness enough to save mankind. He knew it was going to take impact. I don't know if his death has altered global consciousness. Rather I think that he foretold that folks like Klaus(Mind), will want to kill him(Being) when they encounter him on the road...hehe ;D
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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2012 20:25:25 GMT -5
Yes, it was an instrument of torture by which thousands died. Jesus was just one of the thousands. Yes, he went willingly to the cross as his own image of the messiah. And that is where he ended, dead on the cross. What followed was the Myth of Jesus. What we are is prior to .... Myth or not it was masterfully orchestrated. Seems like death is what it took to alter global consciousness enough to save mankind. He knew it was going to take impact. Has mankind been saved? I didn't get the memo.
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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2012 20:27:26 GMT -5
I don't know if his death has altered global consciousness. Rather I think that he foretold that folks like Klaus(Mind), will want to kill him(being) when they encounter him on the road...hehe ;D "I don't know if his death has altered global consciousness."What all was created because of the Jesus story? I shudder to think.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 2, 2012 20:34:35 GMT -5
Although I don't think Jesus had the effect that Christians assume (i.e., that he "saves" sinners through the crucifixion/resurrection), I do think, from a historical standpoint, that consciousness did go through a radical shift of some kind. I mean, the just the very idea of simply being nice to peeps was a radical departure from the ancient mindset.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 2, 2012 20:44:22 GMT -5
I shudder to think. Just look at the Roman Catholic Church invention. I was watching the video on the other tread. The church would charge the rich people gobs of money to get there relatives prayed to heaven. Is that masterful or what? I've told my RC friends several times (thought they get upset, when I say it, anymore), that Jesus wouldn't have ascribed to Roman Catholicism.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 2, 2012 20:49:36 GMT -5
Just look at the Roman Catholic Church invention. I was watching the video on the other tread. The church would charge the rich people gobs of money to get there relatives prayed to heaven. Is that masterful or what? I've told my RC friends several times (thought they get upset, when I say it, anymore), that Jesus wouldn't have ascribed to Roman Catholicism. Impersonally, I don't think Jesus would have ascribed to any religion... ;D
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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2012 20:51:06 GMT -5
Although I don't think Jesus had the effect that Christians assume (i.e., that he "saves" sinners through the crucifixion/resurrection), I do think, from a historical standpoint, that consciousness did go through a radical shift of some kind. I mean, the just the very idea of simply being nice to peeps was a radical departure from the ancient mindset. I don't assume that Jesus got peeps to be nice to each other any more than i assume he invented traffic lights. Civilizations tend to evolve in the direction of becoming more civil.
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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2012 20:53:07 GMT -5
I shudder to think. Just look at the Roman Catholic Church invention. I was watching the video on the other tread. The church would charge the rich people gobs of money to get there relatives prayed to heaven. Is that masterful or what? Hitler's 'final solution' was masterful as well.
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Post by gypsywind on Jan 2, 2012 20:57:50 GMT -5
Hmmm...didn't know that. ;D So, when he told Mary Magdalene upon entering a village- "Don't tell them I am here, or about me (I forget the actual quote)" he was just funnin' with her? I sense he had a grasp on the personal/impersonal conditional/unconditional aspects of who he really was. Of course he did. He wasn't a nondualist either. Hehe. See? The caterpillar does alllll the work, and the butterfly gets all the publicity.
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Post by gypsywind on Jan 2, 2012 21:07:22 GMT -5
I've told my RC friends several times (thought they get upset, when I say it, anymore), that Jesus wouldn't have ascribed to Roman Catholicism. And now....the personal... Impersonally, I don't think Jesus would have ascribed to any religion... ;D Interviewer: So, Jesus...what do you think about Christianity today? Jesus: Well, I'm a little embarrassed by it. I wish they would take my name off it. If I had the whole thing to do over again, I would probably lobby for one of those Eastern religions like Buddha. Buddha was smart. That's how come he's laughing. Interviewer: You wouldn't want to be a Christian? Jesus: No, I wouldn't want to be a member of any group whose symbol is a man nailed onto some wood. Especially if it's me. Interviewer: I have a few more questions, do you mind? Jesus: Mind? I'd like a Coca-Cola.
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Post by gypsywind on Jan 2, 2012 21:21:04 GMT -5
I like my Jesus story better than y'alls. ...it ends in paradise. Where's that?
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Post by gypsywind on Jan 2, 2012 21:29:33 GMT -5
Don't you think Christianity was a powerful movement in the beginnings of America? Didn't it hold lots of family values? Then just look at the creativity that America accomplished. It lite the whole world in light. ...the Buddhas too. Family values? It got 20,000,000 indigenous Americans killed.
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