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Post by heretic on Jul 23, 2011 8:55:21 GMT -5
It's also easier for me to avoid temptations because I keep a vegan diet. So many delicious looking foods are at my fingertips, but once I verify it has animal products, I can easily write it off. Is a vegetarian permitted to eat animal crackers?
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Post by karen on Jul 23, 2011 9:12:51 GMT -5
Sure!
Though permitted wouldn't be the right word - want seems like a closer fit as I went vegan also by non-violence rather than policing myself. Going vegan - for me - was as easy as fallin' off a log (even though I never lost the taste for animal products and never found them disgusting - quite the contrary).
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Post by heretic on Jul 23, 2011 9:45:58 GMT -5
Sure! Though permitted wouldn't be the right word - want seems like a closer fit as I went vegan also by non-violence rather than policing myself. Going vegan - for me - was as easy as fallin' off a log (even though I never lost the taste for animal products and never found them disgusting - quite the contrary). I did the vegan thing for three years in the 90's. I felt great, but those closest to me said I looked too thin (It did take a lot of time to plan and execute being a veg). The funny thing about that was the weight was only fluctuating by 5lbs. when it did so. So, to keep the peace I dumped it, and instead do a one day fast every week on the Q-T. I actually look forward to it. As I understand it, there are patriotic vegetarians in the American Legion who will only eat animals killed in combat.
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Post by jasonl on Jul 23, 2011 9:57:14 GMT -5
Ha great thread.
Mind instructs the body to respond this way? Mind instructs the body to store fat? What u talkin bout willis? Mind instucts the body to eat donuts, i got ya there.
Im not a big believer in habits myself. I used to smoke weed a lot because I wanted to. Then I found out I had to take a drug test for a job I wanted overseas, and miraculously, I didnt want to smoke weed anymore. No cravings, nada. In a way one desire replaced the other. Although I was over my friends house one day shortly after quitting, and they were using a brand new vaporizer with some sick ass weed (that my little brother got for them no less), and I was slightly jealous for about a second. The crave zone infiltrated my enlightened mind!
The issue you have to ask with habits is always why is the mind splitting itself? Dissonance. Unconscious mind wants what consciousness doesnt want, or some such nonsense. Sometimes it isnt the happy/unhappy thing. I still eat steak because I like it. It doesnt make me unhappy. Dont really feel like sounding intelligent today, just feel like babbling a bit. The person is off the chain.
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Post by enigma on Jul 23, 2011 11:11:07 GMT -5
Ha great thread. Mind instructs the body to respond this way? Mind instructs the body to store fat? What u talkin bout willis? Mind instucts the body to eat donuts, i got ya there. Body and mind aren't separate. Body expresses mind's fears, desires, beliefs, but the body doesn't have a mind of it's own. There's a popular idea that if you have excess fat and are fasting, the body will THINK you are starving and slow the metabolism or store anything you do eat as fat, as thought the body is a little person who gets confused about what you're trying to do and sabotages your efforts. It's actually mind sabotaging it's own efforts because it wants to break the diet, which is why removing the struggle is important. Left alone, the body will act intelligently because it IS that intelligence. The energy reserves in the muscles are there so that the muscles don't have to wait for body fat to be converted before they can move. If the body 'thinks' it needs food, it's not intelligent for it to leave the excess body fat in place and rob the muscles of energy and slow the metabolism so that this fat, lethargic weakling can't hunt for food. Hehe. It's also not intelligent for the body to store fat far beyond it's potential needs to the point where it compromises the function of the body, nor is it intelligent to convert all food to fat, whether it needs it or not, just because you keep stuffing food in your mouth. You can (consciously) instruct your body to throw off what it doesn't need. The operative factor in excess weight gain is guilt, which is typically continued throughout any and all attempts to lose the weight.
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Post by jasonl on Jul 23, 2011 11:55:22 GMT -5
Hi heretic, nice to meet you!
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Post by jasonl on Jul 23, 2011 12:10:38 GMT -5
You might be onto something there enigma. I've been shedding some unwanted poundage for beach season. Ill keep your practice in mind.
Interesting. Which is kind of like saying the world expresses mind's fears, desires, and beliefs, but the world doesnt have a mind of its own.
To be continued, fatso, hehe.
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Post by heretic on Jul 23, 2011 16:43:13 GMT -5
You might be onto something there enigma. I've been shedding some unwanted poundage for beach season. Ill keep your practice in mind. Interesting. Which is kind of like saying the world expresses mind's fears, desires, and beliefs, but the world doesnt have a mind of its own. To be continued, fatso, hehe. Why don't they have waiters in waiting rooms? ;D
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Post by acewall on Jul 23, 2011 20:37:56 GMT -5
It's also easier for me to avoid temptations because I keep a vegan diet. So many delicious looking foods are at my fingertips, but once I verify it has animal products, I can easily write it off. Is a vegetarian permitted to eat animal crackers? lol
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Post by dave on Jul 24, 2011 10:41:43 GMT -5
Well, I guess the joke's on me. Here I was just trying to be a smart*ss and ended up actually getting all kinds of good info from you guys! Thanks, everybody. ;D
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Post by acewall on Jul 24, 2011 10:54:22 GMT -5
Well, I guess the joke's on me. Here I was just trying to be a smart*ss and ended up actually getting all kinds of good info from you guys! Thanks, everybody. ;D works bothways aye! LOLolol ;D
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Post by teetown on Jul 25, 2011 9:38:18 GMT -5
Check out the gaps and paleo diets. My weight has never been an issue, but my chronic fatigue and add have been much reduced after cutting out grains and dairy. other people have lost weight on it.
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Post by xkatex on Aug 12, 2011 9:05:00 GMT -5
Hello, I'm new to the forum. The writings of Geneen Roth link food and spirituality, how when you eat too much or too little, you are reflecting the belief that you will never get enough, or that you do not deserve to eat. She advocates listening to your body and ditching diets, simply eating until you are not hungry anymore, rather than when you are full. The great thing about this is you can eat whatever you want, whatever your body needs (not your mind!) Marianne Williamson has also written to an extent on how the subconscious ego influences our body size. Once you are connected to your inner aliveness it tends to sort things out for you. I still enjoy chocolate on a daily basis and I weigh about 118 pounds at 5'4, it's all about listening to your body and not about what diet gurus tell you about what foods will kill you and what foods will make you look thin. The media makes us think that we should be thinner than we need to be. I'd really suggest looking up 'intuitive eating', as that's an eating philosophy that is compatible with presence and awareness, and Geneen Roth's work for anyone who struggles with this; there are guidlines online so you don't have to buy anything. We forget to just listen to our bodies! www.intuitiveeating.org/content/10-principlesAlthough a lot of what I've said is practical advice, I do believe there is a strong link between over/under eating and spirituality. I'm also starting to think that, relatively regardless of diet, spiritual blockages and lack of awareness can lead to subconscious influence of the physical body; have you noticed that many people who don't seem to eat much at all are still overweight? The subconscious mind thinks it is in starvation mode and rebels using your physical body.
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Post by dave on Aug 12, 2011 13:12:40 GMT -5
Hey, Xkatex -
Thanks for the link. I've only read the front page so far, but it's already making me think...
And welcome to the forum!
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Post by acewall on Aug 12, 2011 23:13:59 GMT -5
Hey, Xkatex - Thanks for the link. I've only read the front page so far, but it's already making me think... And welcome to the forum! brilliant. having let go of ones mind, picking it up and re-evaluating the intelligence that is out 'Here in the World' can lead us back into the correct-concept of togetherness where one is empowered to do the right thing.
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